Bill Cosby - Guilty on all counts

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Why do women wait so long to report sexual assaults?


It’s complex! Firstly there’s usually some sort of shock involved with the experience.
Women will also question what happened and wonder if there was anything they may have done to contribute to what happened. The stages are denial, minimizing and even doubting what actually occurred because the reality is too painful to fully absorb. Healing is a process that has its own time table.


Fear is a huge factor why women don’t come forward. For decades women have learned to live in silence and disgrace fearing the consequences of what might happen if they reveal their stories.


When and if they finally speak up , they are met with disbelief, disrespect, discredited and sometimes isolated and shunned. This then can cause a victim to spiral into a life time pattern of pain & self loathing.


The lesson learned is that women are to be blamed for making up such stories and causing a scandal. After all, women are considered emotional and irrational beings so many of their claims are dismissed accordingly. In a nutshell, we get severely punished for speaking out.


Many risk losing their jobs, status in society, possibly family or friends. Speaking out can be dangerous. Some women put their lives at risk for doing so, only to be asked belittling questions regarding their choice of clothing and/or past sexual history. They then get slapped with a degrading label which they might carry for a lifetime.


We must also take into consideration that most professionals involved in such crimes , in the past, have been men.
Judges, jurors, lawyers, police, doctors were primarily men , so in a male dominated society, men protected men, rather than the women. This, in itself, created a saturated stigma that has kept women quiet for decades.


This is the sole reason why METOO has become so explosive. It’s finally given women the platform they need to speak out about such experiences in a safe environment. After all, there IS safety in numbers and women supporting women like this , has been a ‘saving grace’ for many.


These are some reasons why women don’t report sexual abuse when it happens.


We need to end the belief that if women are empowered , men will suffer.
This isn’t and has never been a battle between the sexes. Sexual abuse happens to men also which is why we need to empower humanity to speak out against injustices. Speaking out is only a threat to men who believe that sexual assault and abuse never happen to their gender.


Newsflash!


It DOES , so when women speak up, it empowers us ALL!!!
 

I'm glad he was found guilty. But I think the prison sentence (or not) is pretty much irrelevant. He is 80, his legacy and reputation are ruined, he is ending his life in disgrace, and has grossly disappointed so many people who really liked him. That is probably a worse punishment than anything the law can do to him at this point.

As for why so many women have not spoken up before this, or take so long to muster up the nerve, it's probably just plain old fear. Many people do not speak out, especially when going against the mainstream. So, given that Cosby was a very popular entertainment figure, a hero almost, not too many women would have had the nerve to tell what he did to them... until someone finally did break the silence, and then the floodgates opened.

I have observed that many people, especially women, behave like that even when speaking out about much smaller issues. No one wants to be the first accuser, especially against a popular figure like Cosby.
 

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Traveler said:
Exactly correct, RGP. The days of requiring PROOF are now officially over. From this moment on, every man who was ever sexually active, can lose his freedom AND all his money on the mere say-so of any round heel who wants money and attention. Let the lynching's begin !

I have nothing further to add concerning this miscarriage of justice.
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My goodness, “round heel.” I yearn for the days when a woman is not disparaged for her sexuality while a man is celebrated for his. Antediluvian attitudes are part of the reason many women do not report sexual assault. No one likes to be slut shamed.
 
Many victims of sexual assault don't immediately report it - often understandable. Shame, guilt, fear....especially when the perpetrator is someone powerful. Look at the Jerry Sandusky case.

Regarding the outcries of "where's the proof"?, exactly how is a child supposed to "prove" that s/he has been molested? Often threats are made about what will happen if they tell.

As far as people like Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Mario Batali - celebrities who had huge lucrative contracts - you can be sure that there was proof before the decision was made to fire them. Celebrities often get careless and think they're invincible. Just because "proof" of all allegations isn't shown to the general public or to rgp doesn't mean proof doesn't exist.

Regarding the claim that all of Cosby's victims are after his money, (he is worth over $400M), that's nonsense. The statute of limitations has long ago passed. So Cosby's wife Camille can breathe a sign of relief; his money and her state of denial will give her comfort.
 
RadishRose said:
Yes. He was found guilty in a court of law.

Somehow, I feel a bit sad because I liked him so much, I think in the beginning, I was hoping the charges were false; some mistake, etc. I wanted him to be innocent. Now, I know that s.o.b ripped off my trust and admiration for his talent.

As far as jail time, he deserves it.
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I feel the same.
 
It's no good trying to change the age of the victim. We are talking about adult females NOT children.

If I live to be a thousand years old, I'll never understand the mind of a liberal. Reality is whatever they want it to be. No matter how goofy their version of reality is. Some women, repeat SOME women, dress in the skimpiest of clothing. They wear skin tight "yoga" pants, see-through blouses, deliberately flash deep cleavage, bare their midriffs, wear shorty short skirts, and spend vast amounts of time in front of the mirror trying to make themselves as sexually alluring as possible and then they turn around and complain that men look at them.

Face it ladies, many, many women enjoy sexually provoking men. There is a phrase that describes such women. They are called **** teases. They "get off" on it.

When you wave a piece of juicy meat at a dog, you can expect the dog to take up your offer.
 
Sexual assault is a crime of violence, a vicious act of power and degradation. It is primarily about control, sexual acts secondary. No woman’s apparel is responsible for a predator’s lack of control. (Any man who is driven to sexually assault

women who dress in sexy clothes should not be allowed to roam free. He is a menace to society.) This crime is across the board, affecting all strata of society, regardless of race, colour, politics, socio-economic levels, etc. This is not a liberal

problem, it is a societal problem. Also, labeling men as viewing some women as “juicy meat,” and reacting to them as a “dog”
is not only insulting toward women, but severely diminishes men as well. Most men have far more self control, respect for themselves, and women, to ever behave in such a fashion, and are horrified at those who abuse women.
 
And yet some women chose to sexually provoke. It's in their very nature. If it was in fashion to go bare breasted women would still claim she had no intention of provoking a man. HA !

In any event, nothing happened in Mr Cosby's bedroom that the woman had not done hundreds of times. She was hardly Mother Teressa.
 
Traveler said:
And yet some women chose to sexually provoke. It's in their very nature. If it was in fashion to go bare breasted women would still claim she had no intention of provoking a man. HA !

In any event, nothing happened in Mr Cosby's bedroom that the woman had not done hundreds of times. She was hardly Mother Teressa.
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That is not the issue, consent is the issue. Men are responsible for what they do with their *******ia. There are nudist colonies, men don’t become crazed rapists when confronted with naked women.
 
Very few men are rapists—we can be thankful for this. However, studies have shown that the typical rapist finds between seventy-five and one hundred twenty-five victims during his life. The problem is the fact that these men are not adequately punished and prevented from further predaceous behavior..
 
Big Horn said:
Very few men are rapists—we can be thankful for this. However, studies have shown that the typical rapist finds between seventy-five and one hundred twenty-five victims during his life. The problem is the fact that these men are not adequately punished and prevented from further predaceous behavior..
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Absolutely.
 
I liked Bill Cosby with Robert Culp in I Spy.
Didn't have any of his albums, but I knew a lot of people who did.
I also liked the Fat Albert and the gang cartoons - I know Cosby did many of the voices, but credit must also go to the artists.
I didn't watch the Cosby Show much; I was doing other things or watching other shows.
I liked when Cosby chastised young black males and told them to pull their pants up, but now that seems like a sick joke coming from HIM. :mad:
 
A male hasta know one basic of society;
If you happen to see a scantily clad woman……glance…then look away.
Same with looking at the sun.

Those that stare…ogle….become demented
…..and post their corrupted slants in forums

This is rudimentary knowledge, handed down from father to son early on, from generation to generation.
Anything in opposition is handed down from degeneration to degeneration.

To wit;

Traveler said:
Some women, repeat SOME women, dress in the skimpiest of clothing. They wear skin tight "yoga" pants, see-through blouses, deliberately flash deep cleavage, bare their midriffs, wear shorty short skirts, and spend vast amounts of time in front of the mirror trying to make themselves as sexually alluring as possible and then they turn around and complain that men look at them.
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Big Horn said:
Very few men are rapists—we can be thankful for this. However, studies have shown that the typical rapist finds between seventy-five and one hundred twenty-five victims during his life. The problem is the fact that these men are not adequately punished and prevented from further predaceous behavior..
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We are finding the same is true for paedophiles. No-one took the victims seriously when they spoke up, sometimes early on but often after many years. It can take years to summon up enough courage to face the abuser. The perpetrators were often men held in high regard and were protected by the community who always believed them rather than the victims.

We have a cardinal of the church facing charges from long ago. Apparently he was an offender against young boys and rose through the ranks of the church to bishop where he protected paedophile priests for years. He has not been sentenced, but like Cosby he is now old and appears to be very fragile. However, he has pulled this trick before to avoid returning from Rome, then remarkably his health improved. The Pope himself gave the OK for him to board a plane to face the charges. From the testimony that I heard during the Royal Commission looking into child sexual abuse in institutions I think there is a high probability that he will be found guilty.

I know that paedophiles and rapists have different targets but the victims often have the same difficulties having someone take their complaints seriously. The children are "making up stories" and the women are "just after money" are two fallacies commonly used to discredit their testimony. Also, children yearning for affection and approval and women who dress to catch a man's eye are not expecting to be abused by someone that they think is a friend, especially if that person is held in high regard by many. Comatose women cannot consent to anything.
 
Warrigal said:
We are finding the same is true for paedophiles. No-one took the victims seriously when they spoke up, sometimes early on but often after many years. It can take years to summon up enough courage to face the abuser. The perpetrators were often men held in high regard and were protected by the community who always believed them rather than the victims.

We have a cardinal of the church facing charges from long ago. Apparently he was an offender against young boys and rose through the ranks of the church to bishop where he protected paedophile priests for years. He has not been sentenced, but like Cosby he is now old and appears to be very fragile. However, he has pulled this trick before to avoid returning from Rome, then remarkably his health improved. The Pope himself gave the OK for him to board a plane to face the charges. From the testimony that I heard during the Royal Commission looking into child sexual abuse in institutions I think there is a high probability that he will be found guilty.

I know that paedophiles and rapists have different targets but the victims often have the same difficulties having someone take their complaints seriously. The children are "making up stories" and the women are "just after money" are two fallacies commonly used to discredit their testimony. Also, children yearning for affection and approval and women who dress to catch a man's eye are not expecting to be abused by someone that they think is a friend, especially if that person is held in high regard by many. Comatose women cannot consent to anything.
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Qft. It is also my understanding that the recidivism rate for paedophiles is almost 100%
 
Blaming the victim due to her personal clothing choice and labelling her as a _____ teaser out to purposefully provoke men , implies women are responsible for their own assaults, which is ridiculous.


These types of stereotypical responses are what stop victims , of this type of crime , from speaking out. This was a perfect example of what women have to content with.


If this is the case , then strippers, who basically tease men for a living, should expect to get raped for provoking men but all it does is take the responsibility off the perpetrator. Wearing provocative clothing does not imply non verbal consent.


Attacking the victims character and choice of clothing is a common practice used to further blame them.


Here are NINE cases where ‘clothing’ was blamed for sexual assault.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/m.mic.c...ed-for-sexual-assault-rather-than-the-obvious


Rape IS about power and control, where sexuality is used primarily to express power. Rape is a way of gaining power, not a way of gaining sexual relief.


Facts


Women raped by strangers is about 9 percent.
Woman raped by someone they know is over 80 percent.


Allegations of rape that are false , are the same as that of any other crime , which is 6 to 8 percent.


Women of all ages, classes, cultures, races and faith get raped. Since rape is an act of violence , not sexuality, attractiveness has no significance.


Rapist discredit the women they assault to justify their crime by ‘slut shaming’ claiming they deserved it


Women don’t ask to be raped!
Rape is a traumatizing crime. Nobody enjoys it.


The fact that there is no visible evidence of violence does not mean that a women has not been raped.


Most rapes are premeditated
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Most men aren’t rapist but ‘no’ woman is asking to be raped either.
 
Shalimar said:
Qft. It is also my understanding that the recidivism rate for paedophiles is almost 100%
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Yes. A psychologist friend who worked with the Corrective Services Department told us the same thing. We now have laws that allow paedophiles to be held in gaol after their sentence is completed if there is serious concern about their likely re-offending.
 
Warrigal said:
Yes. A psychologist friend who worked with the Corrective Services Department told us the same thing. We now have laws that allow paedophiles to be held in gaol after their sentence is completed if there is serious concern about their likely re-offending.
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The U.S. should come up with something like that. Unfortunately, it seems it's going in the wrong direction- recently, a guy was convicted of multiple acts of sexual abuse against his six-year-old granddaughter, and was 'sentenced' to five years of probation. While individuals get jail time for not being able to pay a parking ticket. The criminal justice system is shot to hell.
 
JaniceM said:
The U.S. should come up with something like that. Unfortunately, it seems it's going in the wrong direction- recently, a guy was convicted of multiple acts of sexual abuse against his six-year-old granddaughter, and was 'sentenced' to five years of probation. While individuals get jail time for not being able to pay a parking ticket. The criminal justice system is shot to hell.
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We hold our country to the law. Destroying our society is no answer. Argue for the death penalty for pedophiles; fine. They deserve it. Don't say we should destroy our society, however. It's all we have.
 

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