Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

Just say no... I giggle like a 12 year old when I see it on TV. I can't actually imagine seeing someone use it..it would be too much.

It might be a little too potent for this site, but I'll take a flyer and post this video ...

Jimmy Kimmell did what in my opinion is a brilliant parody of the workout-gizmo genre with his Tug Toner commercial -

Not Safe For Work or Certain Retirement Homes


 

It is really nothing new, a company specializing in longevity products and as time progresses we (or who ever is around) will see ever more scientifically based products/systems in this area. The other thing is that there will usually be two types of these companies, the "legitimate" (ie: regulated) and the "snake oil" and it's harder to tell them apart.
 
Except it is not a product or system or dvds, or tapes, or cds or a book. Its Bio Identical Hormone Replacement therapy and Age Management techniques managed by a physician. Sure Cenegenics seems to be a packaged product but its a service, not a product. Even the supplements can be purchased anywhere you choose and any brand.

The prescription drugs can be purchased at any compounding pharmacy. So this is not a pre packaged thing, its a way of life. Its managed and administered by a board certified physician M.D. or D.O. and the supplements are already on the market (normal stuff) and the prescription drugs are produced by pharmaceutical labs and not something mixed in the office. I'm not sure what further regulation could be put in place since it is already regulated by the DEA.

Just to be clear, Age Management or BHRT is not a pill you buy or an elixer sold promising to extend your life. Please do more research. I do however agree with you on your last point. Make sure you go to a Physician that you can check their credentials and hospital privilidges. Do not go to someone touting Age Management that does not have a M.D. or D.O after their name.
 

Except it is not a product or system or dvds, or tapes, or cds or a book. Its Bio Identical Hormone Replacement therapy and Age Management techniques managed by a physician. Sure Cenegenics seems to be a packaged product but its a service, not a product. Even the supplements can be purchased anywhere you choose and any brand. ...

If you look closely at the Cenegenics logo you'll see the little

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It IS a product. They just give you a song and a dance and a massively-expensive brochure to make you overlook that.
 
Yes, the word "Cenegenics" is a registered trademark and it does have the trademark symbol. Cenegenics is a system or process. Its blood test, its Doctors looking at results determining the plan of action, perscribing the right doses of hormones , suppliments, vitamins, recomending diets, exercise programs and then monitoring the changes and results, making changes and adjustments as needed. All this is individually customized for each customer. So calling that a "product" is a bit of a stretch. However, I can see how you can argue that point...we can call it semantics. I do agree that their services are overpriced.


If you look closely at the Cenegenics logo you'll see the little

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It IS a product. They just give you a song and a dance and a massively-expensive brochure to make you overlook that.
 
If I may weigh in on one point here concerning the overpricing. Cenegenics has the institute that trains doctors in their method of practice and their customer base provides a stable, steady source of research subjects. These subjects are committed to the regimen with the intellectual and financial resources to do so which is a researchers dream. Eventually, we all benefit from the results and the wealthiest among us pay for it. Seems like a win to me.
 
If I may weigh in on one point here concerning the overpricing. Cenegenics has the institute that trains doctors in their method of practice and their customer base provides a stable, steady source of research subjects. These subjects are committed to the regimen with the intellectual and financial resources to do so which is a researchers dream. Eventually, we all benefit from the results and the wealthiest among us pay for it. Seems like a win to me.

Forgive my obtuseness, but you're saying that their clients are also their research subjects?

Isn't that a bit unethical?

Dr. Life now has his own home-delivery meal program - Life30. For only $387.50 (+ $23.99 Fedex S&H) you can have 3 meats and 3 veggies a day delivered to your door and be assured that you're eating healthy, and ... oh, wait ... sorry, it isn't HIS program; he's just re-labeled the Personal Trainer Food program ($350/mn + $26.99 S&H). :(

You can order a 90-day supply of TA-65 (a telomerase activation compound) from his site for $2,100. In looking around the 'Net I found dozens of sites such as this one that price roughly the same, so at least he's in the right range there. But you don't begin to see the effects of TA-65, if any, until at least 6 months of usage, so that's $4,200 you pay up-front on faith.

I don't have that much faith, and I know that I can achieve just about the same results with exercise and diet.

Dr. Life also offers an in-person Executive Health Evaluation at his Las Vegas office for only $5,995. If you would be willing to settle for another Cenegenics physician you pay only $4,495. I wonder what that $1,500 difference gets you? Prestige?

Jack LaLanne was an example of what can be done without the use of hormone replacement therapy. If he could do it, so can almost anyone else. I still believe that Cenegenics may have age-management as its mission statement but ultimately I think they're all for the bottom line of their P/L statement.
 
Sorry,

I did paint that stroke very broadly. Research subjects are always invited to participate and appropriately informed. Researchers, though, need to be able to find large numbers of qualified subjects and rely on institutional sources to find them. Cenegenics is associated with two large universities and also has their institute whose network of trained doctors can easily refer individuals.

An amusing example from my past will illustrate the point. With 5 children and (I apologize) a stingy and secretive husband, it is never about you so I had to be innovative about making ends meet while raising them. I shopped at second hand stores for my clothing and often saw harried yuppie husbands carrying in mountains of designer this and that in an effort to stay ahead of the shopping curve. I would think, "Thank you, thank you sweetheart! Don't forget to send her back to the mall this week and I'll see you again in 6 months!" I am the Queen of Creative Resourcing. I agree that eating well and exercise is the majority effort.

Back to Cenegenics, I have a local referral for someone trained at the institute who is supposedly reasonable. I am just at the beginning of investigating this area and most likely won't get to a visit until after my state licensing exam. I may end up coming to your conclusions. Thanks for monitoring this dialog. It is helpful (and fun)!
 
Sorry,

I did paint that stroke very broadly. Research subjects are always invited to participate and appropriately informed. Researchers, though, need to be able to find large numbers of qualified subjects and rely on institutional sources to find them. Cenegenics is associated with two large universities and also has their institute whose network of trained doctors can easily refer individuals.

An amusing example from my past will illustrate the point. With 5 children and (I apologize) a stingy and secretive husband, it is never about you so I had to be innovative about making ends meet while raising them. I shopped at second hand stores for my clothing and often saw harried yuppie husbands carrying in mountains of designer this and that in an effort to stay ahead of the shopping curve. I would think, "Thank you, thank you sweetheart! Don't forget to send her back to the mall this week and I'll see you again in 6 months!" I am the Queen of Creative Resourcing. I agree that eating well and exercise is the majority effort.

Back to Cenegenics, I have a local referral for someone trained at the institute who is supposedly reasonable. I am just at the beginning of investigating this area and most likely won't get to a visit until after my state licensing exam. I may end up coming to your conclusions. Thanks for monitoring this dialog. It is helpful (and fun)!

I have to admit that I'm a skeptic at heart - worse, a cynic. Please realize that that colors my opinions on most things. ;)

I'm afraid I'm not very impressed that they have an "institute"; I was the founder and owner of the Chinese Health Institute, a name that conjured up a massive Chinese castle populated with dozens of wise old doctors, but in reality there was a total of one employee - me. Cenegenics appears to operate on a somewhat higher level, but still I think it's really just Dr. Life (what a fortuitous name!) in a nice office occasionally calling up a few colleagues that he has "certified" (what is in a certification anyway? That's a story for another thread, I think).

I could certainly be wrong; some part of me deep inside that is still decent and trusting and pure wants to believe in this program. But until someone like yourself with the proper training can steal into the "institute" under cover of night and lift the sheets on the operating tables in the sub-basement laboratory and report back here with all the gruesome details, I'm afraid I shall remain my skeptical, critical self. ;)

I DO wish you luck with your studies and your future work!
 
Part of my training is in research methods and statistics. We have to be able to look at studies and determine if in fact their data supports the results they claim. So I know the language and what constitutes a well designed hypothesis. Cenegenics central has already emailed me and seems to be using solid evidenced based methods so far. They have been upfront about pricing which of course I don't intend to pay but I'll mosey along with them for as long as I can to pick their brains. Cenegenics aside, I think age management medicine is a shift toward preventative, health-focused standards of care. We certainly can't sustain our current allopathic-based practices. I'll keep you updated with my findings and perspective development.
 
My 68 yr old uncle

Well, it IS a service business, so I suppose they DO have the right to expect people to pay for that service. They aren't a non-profit charity group, so I don't really see that they have to go to a third-world country where the chief problem is not decreasing testosterone but increasing political upheaval.

I agree with the "looking after" part - we seem to have largely become a society that needs cradle-to-grave nannying.

Ladies, excuse me while I go and change into some dry clothes - it seems Sea's dripping sarcasm has soaked me. :D

Hey, for what its worth, my 68 yr old uncle, who used to be Mr. Louisiana back in the day, does HRT and this dude squats 700 lbs, his chest looks like a road map, very vascular, great muscle definition and just looks great in general. Now , I dont know anything about this company but I have seen HRT work wonders for the people around me. I realize the concept that if you take from the house, the house always wins. But he is 68 and doesn't look anywhere near death. Just sayin.....
 
Hey, for what its worth, my 68 yr old uncle, who used to be Mr. Louisiana back in the day, does HRT and this dude squats 700 lbs, his chest looks like a road map, very vascular, great muscle definition and just looks great in general. Now , I dont know anything about this company but I have seen HRT work wonders for the people around me. I realize the concept that if you take from the house, the house always wins. But he is 68 and doesn't look anywhere near death. Just sayin.....

I congratulate your uncle - that shows a lot of dedication. I'm just concerned that we might be judging him by externals alone - hopefully he keeps up with regular exams and is assured that he's as awesome on the inside as he is on the outside. Does he truly only do replacement therapy? I suspect that as a hard-core bodybuilder he might be going well beyond the bounds of just replacement and getting into augmentation. As well, he might be one of those genetically-gifted types who doesn't have an adverse reaction to HRT.
 
Oh geez, SifuPhil, I'm cracking up here at the video you posted!! :D I DO have a shakeweight, and don't see that it's done a lot of good so far, but haven't used it as much as I intended to, either. We'll see......

As far as Cenegenics, does anyone know if that's what Suzanne Somers advocates?? She's into Bioidentical Hormones, and apparently has noticed a lot of health benefits from them...and she certainly looks good for her age.

Of course, she exercises regularly and has what she feels is a healthy diet, also.
 
Somers follows a self-prescribed regimen of compounded hormones (not legally regulated) and a slew of pills - 60 a day at last count. Her knowledge is gained solely from attending alternative medicine "conferences" and, as her appearance on "Oprah" several years ago proves, she has no idea of the danger she's putting her followers into.

The estrogen cream she rubs into her arms has been shown to increase the incidence of breast cancer (Somers herself was diagnosed with it shortly after she began her self-treatment) and the ******lly-injected Estriol has been shown to be essentially useless after a certain age, an age which Somers has certainly left far behind.

Somers looks to be what she is - an attractive 60-something who takes good care of herself. She certainly doesn't look like a 30-year-old. She is probably just the recipient of good genes; her exercise regimen and healthy eating habits probably have far more to do with her health and looks than all the pills, potions and lotions she imbibes.

Her "Way" is, I believe, quite different than that employed by Cenegenics.
 
60 pills a day; wow!!! Thought I had a lot with the dozen or so I take daily.

And I'm sure those were prescribed by a legitimate doctor for legitimate medical conditions (or at least I hope so). Although I haven't researched it I wouldn't be surprised if Ms. Somers' pill regimen is solely self-prescribed, just like her hormone treatments.

With HER money she could hire someone to follow her around with a slingshot, shooting pills into her mouth at random intervals during the day.

"What do YOU do for a living?"


"I'm a pill-shooter for a celeb!"
 
:D Well, no...the only thing my last dr told me it to take a good multi-vitamin. When I asked for an example, he said, "oh, any major brand - One a Day is a good one."
Really??? I take some for certain conditions, and some we read about in Life Extension. Just hoping we've chosen correctly....Ideally, I'd love to have the Naturopath I saw as my regular Dr., but his prices are pretty high, and insurance doesn't cover them . Of course not..they might get us healthy, and we can't have that. :rolleyes:
 
:D Well, no...the only thing my last dr told me it to take a good multi-vitamin. When I asked for an example, he said, "oh, any major brand - One a Day is a good one."
Really???

Yeah, I'm sure there are a few that are better than One-a-Day ... ;)

I take some for certain conditions, and some we read about in Life Extension. Just hoping we've chosen correctly....Ideally, I'd love to have the Naturopath I saw as my regular Dr., but his prices are pretty high, and insurance doesn't cover them . Of course not..they might get us healthy, and we can't have that. :rolleyes:

Oh, we couldn't allow THAT! You'd mess up the entire Western medicine paradigm - the Hi$$ocratic Oath!
 
Hi$$ocratic Oath - I love it!!!! :D I guess I might be known as a 'difficult patient'; I did like our last dr in some ways, but he sure liked to think his pills were the answer to whatever. Tried to give me scrips for sleeping, depression, pain, all in one visit. I didn't take any. I realize they can help in certain circumstances, but to me, are temporary fixes.
The real way back to health is the longer, harder way, imo. I admit I do have a problem with discipline, as far as keeping up with exercise, etc.
 
I find it troubling that in a country with a pill-popping problem that has lasted decades and getting worse we have a medical profession that continues to push drugs.
 
Sounds like an over-complicated creation of a product that promises to solve a problem that is unsolvable. Whats next, a 12-step program to grant immortality?
 
Sounds like an over-complicated creation of a product that promises to solve a problem that is unsolvable. Whats next, a 12-step program to grant immortality?

Now THAT I would pay for!

1. Be born in Scotland 400 years ago.
2. Die in battle
3. Come back to life
4.

... WAIT a minute ... :cool:
 
Ladies and gentlemen,

I have read a lot of ignorant sarcasm in discussing Cenegenics. This company practices age management , not age organization and they are not a nanny service. What they are doing is Bio-Identical hormone Relacement therapy. Before you roll your eyes and speak with a uneducated , closed mind you should know what this actually is. They do a very lengthy and compley blood screening. Something a lot more comprehensive than your Family Doctor would ever do. When we get older certain things happen and our bodies naturally stop making things like estrogen, testosterone, HGH and many other things. The blood test results show them where the deficiencies are and where somethings are too high. They look at your comprehensive health and how it all works together. They measure thyroid function, vitamin levels, cardiac function, many key indicators to possible future healh issues that can be proactively corrected. Once they get this "Full Health picture" , they correct the imbalances by perscribing theraputic amounts of things your body naturally produces and needs and helps counteract and issues found. Your diet is even changed in a lot of instances. They really take a comprehensive look at your health and put things back to where they should be. Oh, and no "steriods". thats just silly. The only steriod would be testosterone, something you need anyway. I have been under the care of an age management Dr for a couple years now. I look and feel years younger. My wife is doing this with me and she has equally good results. I am 45 so maybe not as old as some of you on here but I started on this therapy and got back into the gym. I initially lost 30 pounds and then gained muscle because I am on a high protein diet and the testosterone helps build muscle. I have very low "T" as they say on TV and my Dr never caught it. My level shoul dhave been 600+ and I was at 75..very low. Just balancing your Testosterone back to where it needs to be will activate your metabolism , help muscles , give you energy and make you geel great. I am now in better shape than when I was 25. Now, I was very athletic and played college football but my bosy had gone downhill a lot. Now, I can outrun my 20 year old son and my bench press is around 400. Not bad for a 45 year old. I am muscular and have ab muscles. Sexual appetite and function is beck to where it was in my 20's, my skin looks years younger and I am in great health because its monitored closely. So, call it a scam all you want but it works and it does great things for your health. yes, its a bit pricy but Cenegenics is more expensive than most. I paid a total of around $1,000 to get started (including the bloood test). So $4,000 is high. I suggest looking around. This has been the best thing I have ever done. My father in law told me about it, he has been doing it for years. He is 65 and looks 50, acts younger and says he feels like a 30 year old. he is extremely active. I am a believer and have personal experience to back it up. I can honesly say, this is real science and not a scam. Like anything just do your homework and look for better deals. By the way, I am told all the time that I look 35 and younger women constantly flirt with me...I go to the beach, take off my shirt and look better than most. My kids are amazed and my wife is extremely happy ;). So people like seabreeze can be negative all they want. I guarentee that if I was sitting next to them at the beach they would only wish they looked as good as I do. I hug my Dr every time I go see her..she is a miracle worker and I have the peace of mind knowing I will have a long healthy, good quality life because of her and age management. Take the time to really look into this, you will not be sorry. For those that just want to grow old naturally, this is not for you but some of us want to go down swinging. Good luck all...

I too am 45. How at the age of 45 you are even considering this is beyond me. I bench a clean 500 (1 rep), I run a 4.95 40 yard dash. I squat 600 (1rep), 3 miles in 20:43. These are things I didn't need managed. I work my butt off all week. I raise 7....yes SEVEN children (oldest 21-youngest 6), work 45-50 hours GRAVEYARD SHIFT. Low T or not you are getting scammed if you think you need this, or they are doing something you cannot do on your own. Dont believe me? PM me or better yet stop by my place if you are ever in Atlanta. I am not a professional athlete, never have been. I am just a regular guy who makes at least an hour available each day for intense execise and good diet. This isn't meant to be an affront to you, and at some point in time I believe that the added HGH and steroid programs can add to the quality of life, but at 45 these are all things your body is still way beyond capable of doing on their own provided you supply the elbow grease.
As for looks, I look great, beastly even - total package. None of that is even the slightest of reasons why I train like I do. I mentioned I have 7 children. I want to be relevant in their life active enough to enjoy them and one day my grandchildren, sure I look great but I dont care about that. I stay abreast of current culture and trends, technology and yes...even algebra, trig, physics, lit, and history. I am young because I live young and I will do so until GOD says its time to move on. If vanity is the only reason you do this then you should reevaluate and maybe see a different type of doc to help with esteem issues.
I wish you the best but before you start accusing memebers in any online forum of making uneducated statements you need to do some self reflection and ask yourself if you are educating or offending your readers or if you are educating your readers or providing some type of self justification for your own actions.
 

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