Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

SifuPhil said:
- you'll live longer than if you were to start taking weekly injections of hormones. .
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To the 'believers' of Cenegenics ... come back in 10 years and let us hear how it's going ....


This only makes me think of what women were told for years, back in the 50-70's, about hormone therapy ...."It's for better health as you age" ... blah, blah, blah ... My mother got breast cancer, and later died, from the hormone therapy her doctor insisted that she needed.


Hormone replacement therapy — medications containing female hormones to replace the ones the body no longer makes after menopause — used to be a standard treatment for women with hot flashes and other menopause symptoms. Hormone therapy (as it's now called) was also thought to have the long-term benefits of preventing heart disease and possibly dementia.
Use of hormone therapy changed abruptly when a large clinical trial found that the treatment actually posed more health risks than benefits for one type of hormone therapy, particularly when given to older postmenopausal women. As the concern about health hazards attributed to hormone therapy grew, doctors became less likely to prescribe it.
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.. Mayo Clinic
 

Nailed it Bonnie, I came close to losing an Aunt and Cousin, both told that it was a imbalance probably due to hormone replacement that was the trigger for their particular kind of breast cancer.
They were the only women in the family over the several generations I could trace who had contracted breast cancer, and were the only 2 who had used HRT.
The Aunt warned me not to take them but she was way too late, I'd already been through the menopause and no one had even noticed, so why was I prescribed them? .... the HRT tablets were all still in the drawer with the rest of the stuff I never took over the years.
I don't believe in fixing what ain't broke.
 
Diwundrin said:
Nailed it Bonnie, I came close to losing an Aunt and Cousin, both told that it was a imbalance probably due to hormone replacement that was the trigger for their particular kind of breast cancer.
They were the only women in the family over the several generations I could trace who had contracted breast cancer, and were the only 2 who had used HRT.
The Aunt warned me not to take them but she was way too late, I'd already been through the menopause and no one had even noticed, so why was I prescribed them? .... the HRT tablets were all still in the drawer with the rest of the stuff I never took over the years.
I don't believe in fixing what ain't broke.
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I'll second that... women have definitely gotten wise to the HRT, and the heartache involved.

Wondering though, don't any of these guys watch sports?... their heros, and the numerous tragic stories of bigger, better, faster ... and dying years before they should.
 

Boo's Mom said:
Wondering though, don't any of these guys watch sports?... their heros, and the numerous tragic stories of bigger, better, faster ... and dying years before they should.
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To be fair, those "athletes" are using mega-doses of steroids, and on a very frequent basis. That's why they have such problems. If the comments from Newly Old are accurate then it would seem that Cenegenics (or at least his personal doctor) give only the amount that is needed to bring the levels up to some perceived "norm", and not so much that the patient becomes a raging 'roid monster.

I used to admire Arnold Schwarzenegger in my teens - I read his autobiography and liked that he would NEVER use steroids. It was only later, after I had learned more about how the world of competitive bodybuiding works, did I start to suspect something was amiss, and his later confessions were the final straw.

In my own field, martial arts, it was never even an issue until the advent of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) competitions. Now it isn't unusual to encounter guys on the juice, and it kills the entire philosophy of the sport.
 
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Going Down Swinging said:
Ladies and gentlemen,

I have read a lot of ignorant sarcasm in discussing Cenegenics. This company practices age management , not age organization and they are not a nanny service. What they are doing is Bio-Identical hormone Relacement therapy. Before you roll your eyes and speak with a uneducated , closed mind you should know what this actually is. They do a very lengthy and compley blood screening. Something a lot more comprehensive than your Family Doctor would ever do. When we get older certain things happen and our bodies naturally stop making things like estrogen, testosterone, HGH and many other things. The blood test results show them where the deficiencies are and where somethings are too high. They look at your comprehensive health and how it all works together. They measure thyroid function, vitamin levels, cardiac function, many key indicators to possible future healh issues that can be proactively corrected. Once they get this "Full Health picture" , they correct the imbalances by perscribing theraputic amounts of things your body naturally produces and needs and helps counteract and issues found. Your diet is even changed in a lot of instances. They really take a comprehensive look at your health and put things back to where they should be. Oh, and no "steriods". thats just silly. The only steriod would be testosterone, something you need anyway. I have been under the care of an age management Dr for a couple years now. I look and feel years younger. My wife is doing this with me and she has equally good results. I am 45 so maybe not as old as some of you on here but I started on this therapy and got back into the gym. I initially lost 30 pounds and then gained muscle because I am on a high protein diet and the testosterone helps build muscle. I have very low "T" as they say on TV and my Dr never caught it. My level shoul dhave been 600+ and I was at 75..very low. Just balancing your Testosterone back to where it needs to be will activate your metabolism , help muscles , give you energy and make you geel great. I am now in better shape than when I was 25. Now, I was very athletic and played college football but my bosy had gone downhill a lot. Now, I can outrun my 20 year old son and my bench press is around 400. Not bad for a 45 year old. I am muscular and have ab muscles. Sexual appetite and function is beck to where it was in my 20's, my skin looks years younger and I am in great health because its monitored closely. So, call it a scam all you want but it works and it does great things for your health. yes, its a bit pricy but Cenegenics is more expensive than most. I paid a total of around $1,000 to get started (including the bloood test). So $4,000 is high. I suggest looking around. This has been the best thing I have ever done. My father in law told me about it, he has been doing it for years. He is 65 and looks 50, acts younger and says he feels like a 30 year old. he is extremely active. I am a believer and have personal experience to back it up. I can honesly say, this is real science and not a scam. Like anything just do your homework and look for better deals. By the way, I am told all the time that I look 35 and younger women constantly flirt with me...I go to the beach, take off my shirt and look better than most. My kids are amazed and my wife is extremely happy ;). So people like seabreeze can be negative all they want. I guarentee that if I was sitting next to them at the beach they would only wish they looked as good as I do. I hug my Dr every time I go see her..she is a miracle worker and I have the peace of mind knowing I will have a long healthy, good quality life because of her and age management. Take the time to really look into this, you will not be sorry. For those that just want to grow old naturally, this is not for you but some of us want to go down swinging. Good luck all...
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Here comes some more sarcasm....but, seriously, were you paid to write this? If not, you should be. But for the pushy nature of your post, it sounds exactly like a professional advertisement. You're more than welcome to your opinion, but I'm just wondering why someone 45 is even on this board. You're hardly a senior.

Good for you in looking so good...I adore humble people. However wonderful this service may be, you went a little overboard in the boasting, so I'm going to take my uneducated self to another post. Have a good evening, Sir.
 
Boo's Mom said:
To the 'believers' of Cenegenics ... come back in 10 years and let us hear how it's going ....


This only makes me think of what women were told for years, back in the 50-70's, about hormone therapy ...."It's for better health as you age" ... blah, blah, blah ... My mother got breast cancer, and later died, from the hormone therapy her doctor insisted that she needed.


.. Mayo Clinic
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As my dr handed me my first script for hormone replacement 25 yrs ago, he warned there was a connection with breast cancer. Five years later, I'm in the OR losing a breast. Can I prove that's what caused it? No. Just that a half doz doctors have told me "most likely," and to avoid any and all forms of estrogen going forward. Without question my type cancer was estrogen fed, after a hysterectomy and ingesting replacement hormones for 5 years. But, Gawd, I miss 'em!
 
Hi. Let me jump in. I am Newly Old, the 64 year old who started Cenegenics in September. I am a physician and my Cenegenics doctor is a relative of mine whose medical expertise I trust. (Just want to be totally honest about my bias/perspective)

I can only give a short term perspective, but I think it says a lot about why I love the program.

Three months ago, before I started, I had a certain energy level, a certain physiologic capacity, strength, libido, etc. That would be the best physical shape I was to be in the rest of my life. With aging, I would slow down and deteriorate.

I was fine with it. But soon after starting Cenegenics, I experienced the benefits. At first, I had great days, then returned to baseline the last couple of days before my next weekly testosterone. It took several weeks to reach and equilibrium where the tesoterone level in my body remains constant all week. My blood tests showed that I went from low testosterone to mid normal range with treatment.

Now, I have much more energy, never feel sluggish during the day, have already lost inches off my waist (I don't bother weighing myself. The goal is not to lose weight. It is to lose fat and gain muscle)

I have the libido I had when I was in my 20's. That was 40 years ago! I had forgotten what explosive sex felt like. And I receive complements on my improved appearance every day.

It feels great. Is there a down side? Of course. My hematocrit has risen so I am going to have to be a periodic blood donor. I have to have regular bloodwork to make sure everything stays in balance. My PSA's are carefully follwed and if they were to rise, the testosterone stops.

At the moment, I believe that the current research shows that testosterone replacement is beneficial with little downside for those with normal hearts and prostates. But what if there are long term problems?

I feel better than I have felt in MANY years. I felt fine 3 months ago, but not great, like I feel now. I would trade 10 elderly years to have the next 15 years being ones where I feel like I do now.

I am going to stay out of the argument as to whether we should let our hormone levels decline and our bodies deteriorate as natural aging, or if we should bring them to normal levels like we do with somone whose thyroid has become underactive or pancreas no longer produces enough insulin.

I am choosing to have strong, energetic, lively years for as many years as I can. Cenegenics is doing that for me.

By the way, many people eat red meat. My son is a lifeguard and increasing his risk of a malignant melanoma. Many people have eating habits and food preferences that make them overeat. Some say they "like to eat." They are all risking a shorter life.

If you could quickly feel a quantum leap better, have the libido (and function)of a person half your age, would it be worth it to you? I tried it, and for me, the answer is absolutely.
 
By the time most of us reach that "golden age" where the biggest perk in life is that 10% senior discount we sometimes get, we think we've seen all the scams there are, but wait, there's more: While we're sitting back confidently thinking we've seen it all, new scams are arriving every day. Now with the treatment in quesiton, this is just a general rule off thumb: When any medical people with headquarters in Nevada advertise miraculous breakthroughs, you can be pretty sure it's as legit as a letter from Nigeria or that letter informing you that you just won a lottery.
When real medical breakthroughs come through, you'll see them on CNN or MSNBC, and other such places, NOT in TV ads or that copy of "The Globe" at the supermarket.
For one product the TV announcer actually had the nerve to say, "We couldn't say it on TV if it wasn't true." Really? There is practically never a word of truth in any TV advertising. You ever notice all that fine illegible print at the bottom of the screen? While the Izuzu guy is telling you all these great things, all that fine print says: "He's lying and don't believe a word he says."
There's a great world out there dreaming up ways to talk you out of your money. They know older people are sometimes more vulnerable because they talk fast and smooth and often get your signature before you realize what youve done. BE CAREFUL!
 
............ There's a great world out there dreaming up ways to talk you out of your money. They know older people are sometimes more vulnerable because they talk fast and smooth and often get your signature before you realize what youve done. BE CAREFUL!
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stharp1 said:
There is a program called something like MD VIP that is similar to this. Patients pay a fee (annually? monthly? both? I forgot.) for their primary doctors to take less patients so that they get more time and better care. The patients seem to love it. I have not found that they live any longer or are any healthier, but they get a lot of attention from their doctors.

I am not a fan of hormone replacement because of both cancer and blood clots.

Sharon
http://happyhealthcare.org/
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Yes, I believe that's the so-called "valet practice". I'm not sure that they offer the same kind of program that Cenegenics does - I think it's more of a "actually spend time with your patient, talk to them and do some real diagnostics" - kind of affair.

In other words, they practice the way doctors used to practice. ;)
 
I love their testimonials ...

As a single dad, Randy needed motivation to maintain a healthy weight. His MDVIP-affiliated doctor provided just that to help him lose 30 pounds and counting.
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... instead of Randy just giving the fast-food a pass and going to the gym, which would have been a lot cheaper ...

Laura's story is one of transformation and triumph. After discovering she was pre-diabetic, her MDVIP-affiliated doctor provided the support to change her lifestyle.
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... instead of Laura just giving the fast-food a pass and going to the gym, which would have been a lot cheaper ...

An artist for 45 years, Hadyn was not going to let her fading eyesight stop her. She found an MDVIP-affiliated doctor and a wellness program that truly cared for her in a different way.
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... instead of Hadyn going to the local mall's eyeglass franchise and picking up a pair of 'scrip glasses for $99.99 ...




It isn't medicine - it's hand-holding. :semi-twins:
 
C. M. Albrecht said:
By the time most of us reach that "golden age" where the biggest perk in life is that 10% senior discount we sometimes get, we think we've seen all the scams there are, but wait, there's more: While we're sitting back confidently thinking we've seen it all, new scams are arriving every day. Now with the treatment in quesiton, this is just a general rule off thumb: When any medical people with headquarters in Nevada advertise miraculous breakthroughs, you can be pretty sure it's as legit as a letter from Nigeria or that letter informing you that you just won a lottery.
When real medical breakthroughs come through, you'll see them on CNN or MSNBC, and other such places, NOT in TV ads or that copy of "The Globe" at the supermarket.
For one product the TV announcer actually had the nerve to say, "We couldn't say it on TV if it wasn't true." Really? There is practically never a word of truth in any TV advertising. You ever notice all that fine illegible print at the bottom of the screen? While the Izuzu guy is telling you all these great things, all that fine print says: "He's lying and don't believe a word he says."
There's a great world out there dreaming up ways to talk you out of your money. They know older people are sometimes more vulnerable because they talk fast and smooth and often get your signature before you realize what youve done. BE CAREFUL!
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Very well written and excellent advice!
 
This is my first hand experience with Cenegenics. I have been on Cenegenics for 3 months. I am a doctor, and am happy to address the science of their approach, but I want to cut to the chase.

I feel better than I have since my 20's or 30's. I am 64. I no longer have daytime fatigue. I have the energy of my youth. My waist size is down 3 inches. My libido is that of my youth.

That is what I was looking for and I am very happy with the results.

Newly Old
 
And to what do you attribute your success - diet, exercise or hormones? Or would you say that it's a synergistic effect of all three?
 
In order, I would say hormone optimization, diet, exercise.

Testosterone to bring levels to "normal" is not the same as people taking testosterone to build their muscles. It definitely aids in improving percent body fat- losing fat, gaining muscle. Dieting alone loses fat and muscle. The muscle strength allows me to exercise better and to feel results. This gets me more active and I stay active and energetic all day.

Diet is also huge. I did not realize that I was standing a bit slouched until I lost 4 inches on my waist. I realzed that I was walking upright, and could feel the difference. Without strict diet program (not "dieting," but strictly healthy, 5 meals to maintain steady insulin levels and prevent hunger).

These first two are the key. Unfortunately, I think people would ge great benefits from the first two alone, and thus miss the added benefit of exercise.

Only #1 needs the consultation of a doctor.

Newly Old
 
So, Adonis, what do you use all this extra energy on? Are you investing it into improving the world in general or just yourself? Do you go and do something useful with that "stay energetic all day" result or does it just mean you can spend more time working out on the abs? Or your wife?
Does the extra oomph power and improved mirror feedback benefit anyone else or is it a purely narcissistic thing?

Just wonderin'?
 
Dear Diwundrin-
I am a physician and my improved energy allows me to work an additional day and one evening per week at our Urgent Care Center. This is in addition to working full time in the office. I take care of about 30 more patients a week than I used to. These are people who are too ill to wait for their doctors' offices to open in the morning.

So, to answer your condescending question, I am very definitely "investing it into improving the world in general" by helping at least 30 more ill patients each week. That translates into over 350 ill people helped since I started the program 3 months ago. And if Cenegenics allows me to work more years before slowing down, the number of additional people helped will be in the thousands.

Plus, I have the energy after work to enjoy my activities with my kids.( And no, I am not an Adonis, do not work out or care what my body looks like to others. My exercise consists of 30 minute brisk walks. )

I started Cenegenics because I wanted to improve my health and body functioning. I am doing it to FEEL better, not to LOOK better. For me, it is working well.

Newly Old
 
Okay, remark withdrawn, must be another poster who was touting the program because it was turning him into Batman or similar.

I'm a terminal cynic about these things especially when they are promoted by fanatics. If I had half a brain I would just steer clear of the thread. siiiiiigh.
 
As I started to type my rely, I see that there is an ad for Cenegenics in the space between your post and the quick reply box! I hate their ads.

Your cynicism is very useful. There are a huge number of "Low T" clinics and fringe practitioners. I used to consider all of them semi-charlatans- using the name of medical care to sell "alternative" medical care that crosses the line in my opinion. As a physician, I can recognize when claims are BS, and when the doctors on radio talk shows are being misleading at best.

I never considered any age management/ total health/ concierge/longevity programs. That is until a year ago when a family member, who is a highly regarded specialist in his field spent time studying the age management science over several years and then training to be a Cenegenics doctor. He convinced that they are "real." I waited a year to see the successes, failures and dropouts of several patients. I did my own research and decided to try it. Part of my research was to look for people who were in the program who discussed their experience. That got me to the Senior Forums. I found it impossible to learn anything except that their are strong opinions about Cenegenics and even the concept of treating the deterioration of aging instead of living with it. So, when I started the program, I initiated a thread saying that I was going to write about my experience as I was doing it "for anyone who cares."

Newly Old

I have tried to stay out of the debates as to the right or wrong of doing age management. I have tried to give honest information about the good and the bad. I don't know that I have seen an objective reporting from someone who actually is doing the program. I started with the disclosure that a relative is a Cenegenics doctor, but also said I would not say where in the country I live to avoid people thinking I am trying to generate business for his location (or any location).

If I have a strong opinion, it is frustration that my internist has no interest in hormone optimization, nor do other doctors I know. Part of it seems to be the fear of being lumped with the "doctors" who prescribe supra-normal doses of testosterone to build muscles. So I am stuck spending a fortune on Cenegenics. There are many doctors who advertise treatment for low testosterone, but it takes expertise to do it safely. That takes an excellent doctor with excellent training. Otherwise, serious problems can develop if the proper blood parameters are tested, followed and understood.
 
Diwundrin said:
Okay, remark withdrawn, must be another poster who was touting the program because it was turning him into Batman or similar.

I'm a terminal cynic about these things especially when they are promoted by fanatics. If I had half a brain I would just steer clear of the thread. siiiiiigh.
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IMO, Di, steering clear of this thread is the best idea I've heard all day and exactly what I intend to do!
 
I dunno ... sometimes I learn more discussing things I don't trust or believe in than I do when everyone is in agreement.

Debate brings out the truth. ;)
 
Newly Old. I have been on testosterone replacement for three years now. It has been prescribed and monitored through the lab by my family physician. I began with the gels. I turned 65 two years ago and Medicare didn't cover the gels. I was switched to injections at that time which was covered by Medicare at $40 to refill the prescription. The prescription has lasted me about 3 months now. I also started a low carb diet two years ago after knee replacement surgery. I also started an exercise program at that time. In my case all of this has been a God send. I also have increased energy and I feel better than I have since I was in my 30's. I have dropped 50 pounds during these two years. Most of the weight loss have been fat pounds. It is too difficult for me to measure. But, I'm sure that I have gained muscle mass. In September I changed to a plant based diet with seafood one day a week. I retired in April of last year and now I have the time to prepare great plant based meals and do the time consuming shopping that is required. This diet has helped with my energy even more. I have also lost more weight & am now the lightest I have been in 30 years. During this time I have never been hungry. That is the advantage of a plant based diet. I can eat all I want and not gain weight. I still exercise every day albeit it is light exercise. I will stop now with this lengthy posts to say that I have no profit to be made by getting anyone to try this life style other than the satisfaction that the someone will be living a happier and healthier life.
 

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