Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Russian troops who have been captured by Ukrainian forces have urged their people to rise up against President Vladmir Putin as they tell the world of fellow soldiers being thrown in mass graves.

A group of Russian soldiers spoke out against their government during a press conference with news agency Interfax-Ukraine, telling fellow citizens to not 'look at the zombies.'

Alexei Zheleznyak, Mustafaev Mugsad, Igor Rudenko, Alexander Fomenko and others nearly wept as they told the press conference of their opposition to the Russian invasion, according to The Mirror.

Mr Zheleznyak, a soldier of the 34th separate motorized rifle brigade stationed in the Karachay-Cherkess Republic of Russia, told the conference he warned Putin he would never be able to send enough troops to Ukraine to take over.

see the video here... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eader-having-comrades-thrown-mass-graves.html
 

mellowyellow said:
One of Putin's main goals is to divide the American people about Ukraine, seems it's already happening.
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I guess Putin may be evil in many ways but don't feel he divided us. We have been this way for a long time on many homegrown issues. Especially during the last administration and since, certain Americans have found much to admire in dictators/strong men.
 
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Public Expresses Mixed Views of U.S. Response to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine​


https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...-u-s-response-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
 
jerry old said:
I agree, the armed forces has little or no use for dummies.
However, have you read the links on Mcnamara's Boy's?
When a nation needs soldiers their are going to be 'incidents' that should not be...
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The essence of the military is following orders, and soldiers in the thick of things are not going to be able to read the NY Times. They do as they are told. During my last 6 months in the Navy I ran a brig on a base in Spain. The officer I relieved told me that one of the Marine guards, who had been transferred in from Vietnam, told him that he had watched prisoners pushed out of helicopters. I shrugged it off, but when I was discharged and returned to San Francisco I began to read about other unsavory aspects of that war -- although not the helicopter story at that time. I wrote the Secretary of The Navy and related what I had heard. He wrote back and explained that it was just a "sea story" -- a tall tale. There were a couple of other local exchanges. I wrote the Sec Nav back and resigned my reserve commission. That war was one Hell of a mistake, but you can blame the politicians for that, not the soldiers and the sailors.
 
Now they've Bombed a Shopping Mall...:cautious:


A huge explosion has rocked a shopping mall in Kyiv as rescuers pulled bloodied victims from the rubble amid reports up to six people have been killed.

The blast smashed the sprawling 'Retroville' and was so powerful it pulverised vehicles in its car park - leaving a massive crater - as well as bodies scattered in the carnage.

Mayor Vitali Klitschko this morning said it was one of several bombs to be dropped on the city, with others flattening homes nearby.

Kyiv department of the state emergency service said four people had been killed but there were reports as many as six were dead with dozens more missing in the debris.

Rescuers were continuing to trawl through the chaos this morning as they desperately searched for any more survivors of the latest horror attack to rock Ukraine.

It comes as Ukraine rejected Russian demands troops in the Black Sea port of Mariupol lay down their weapons and surrender in return for letting tens of thousands of civilians trapped in the heavily besieged city leave safely.

Russian Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev laid out Moscow's offer late Sunday, saying Ukrainian troops and 'foreign mercenaries' who laid down their arms and raised white flags would be given safe passage.

But Mariupol rejected the demands within minutes, with Pyotr Andryushenko - an adviser to Mariupol mayor - saying Russian promises of amnesty could not be trusted and troops defending the city were determined to fight.

Elsewhere in the crisis overnight:

  • The British Army banned WhatsApp over fears Russia is hacking it to get operationally sensitive information;
  • Boris Johnson is considering a quick trip to Kyiv to show support for Ukraine's battle against Vladimir Putin;
  • A heart-breaking new video showing the devastation Ukraine has suffered has now emerged on social media;
  • Volodymyr Zelensky's government suspended 11 Ukrainian political parties due to alleged links with Russia;
  • Joe Biden will travel to Poland Friday to discuss the international response to Russia's brutal war in Ukraine.

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See the before and after pics of the shopping mall.. here.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...helling-leaves-civilians-dead-parts-Kyiv.html
 
Russia is secretly transporting its dead and wounded soldiers to Belarus to disguise the true number of casualties in Ukraine, reports say. Eyewitnesses told RadioFreeEurope that the morgue in Mazyr, Belarus, is overflowing with corpses and that wounded Russian troops are flooding the area's hospitals. One eyewitness told the outlet that he had seen many "black sacks" being loaded from military ambulances onto Russian railway cars.
 
mellowyellow said:
One of Putin's main goals is to divide the American people about Ukraine, seems it's already happening.
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Of course it is....

Truth Is Another Front in Putin's War​

Last edited Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: New York Times

Truth Is Another Front in Putin's War

Steven Lee Myers and Stuart A. Thompson
Sun, March 20, 2022, 10:48 AM

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Disinformation in wartime is as old as war itself, but today war unfolds in the age of social media and digital diplomacy. That has given Russia — and its allies in China and elsewhere — powerful means to prop up the claim that the invasion is justified, exploiting disinformation to rally its citizens at home and to discredit its enemies abroad. Truth has simply become another front in Russia’s war.

Using a barrage of increasingly outlandish falsehoods, President Vladimir Putin has created an alternative reality, one in which Russia is at war not with Ukraine but with a larger, more pernicious enemy in the West. Even since the war began, the lies have gotten more and more bizarre, transforming from claims that “true sovereignty” for Ukraine was possible only under Russia, made before the attacks, to those about migratory birds carrying bioweapons.

Russia’s message has proved successful domestically, where the Kremlin’s claims go unchallenged. Surveys suggest a majority of Russians support the war effort. Internationally, the campaign has seeped into an information ecosystem that allows them to spread virulently, reaching audiences that were once harder to reach.

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The power of Russia’s claim that the invasion is justified comes not from the veracity of any individual falsehood meant to support it but from the broader argument. Individual lies about bioweapons labs or crisis actors are advanced by Russia as swiftly as they are debunked, with little consistency or logic between them. But supporters stubbornly cling to the overarching belief that something is wrong in Ukraine and Russia will fix it. Those connections prove harder to shake, even as new evidence is introduced.

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Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/truth-another-front-putins-war-144843563.html

EDIT: Corrected source as New York Times

Original NYT link: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/russia-putin-propaganda-media.html
 
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To identify Russian spies in Ukraine, soldiers are asking suspicious-looking strangers to pronounce palianytsia, the word for “loaf”, which Russian-speaking Ukrainians can say but Russians can’t. It’s a trick “at least 3,000 years old”, says Emma Duncan in The Times. The Old Testament recounts one Israelite tribe asking those who wanted to cross the River Jordan to say shibboleth (“ear of corn”), which their enemies, the Ephraimites, pronounced sibboleth. Some 42,000 “failed the test and were slaughtered”.
 
jerry old said:
I agree, the armed forces has little or no use for dummies.
However, have you read the links on Mcnamara's Boy's?
When a nation needs soldiers their are going to be 'incidents' that should not be...

I talked to a poor soul that was drafted in WW II in 1945.
His story is extremely humorous, I keep threatening myself to post it on the Military Thread...
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Out with it jo. We overstressed SF seniors need a gud un. Specially moi.
 
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Decision time for the United Nations.
Photographer: Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

Members of the U.S. Congress rightly have been asking how countries that value security and freedom might remove Russia from the United Nations Security Council. In fact, it’s not impossible, as some have argued; or even unprecedented.

In 1990, when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and tried to wipe that country from the face of the earth, the Security Council took action. The Council demanded that Iraq immediately withdraw and, when Iraq refused, authorized the use of force to expel the aggressor. The Security Council today, by contrast, has not so much as censured Vladimir Putin, whose invasion of Ukraine poses a far greater threat to international peace and security.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...w-the-un-can-expel-russia-and-remain-relevant
 
mellowyellow said:
A recent survey conducted by the Ukrainian research company Active Group shows that 86.6% of Russians support the idea of launching an attack on a country of the European Union, including Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/03...ntial-military-attack-on-eu-countries-survey/

Could this be his end game?
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I certainly hope that does not happen. I have relatives in the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
 
If you have followed the news from the Ukraine for the last 10 years, this war is not surprising.
The reasons are very different from the propaganda being pushed on you as news.

To understand what's happening, you need to study what has been ongoing for roughly eight years.
The eastern region of Donbas, is made up of people who are mostly Russian speaking and have a Russian heritage.
The people in western Ukraine mostly speak Ukrainian and identify with a European heritage.

For this reason,Three breakaway republics (in 2014) voted overwhelmingly to leave the Ukraine.
But, for the past eight years, the western Ukraine military which includes,(the Nazi-aligned Azov Battalion) has killed over 14,000 civilians in eastern Ukraine (Donbas) exposing them to barbaric attacks, including blockade, large-scale punitive operations, terrorist attacks and artillery bombardments.

"Why? In retaliation for their attempts to press for basic human rights to live in accordance with the laws and traditions of their ancestors, to use their mother tongue and to rear the children the way they wish."

read about the Azov battalion here.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Azov+Battalion
 
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Leading Russian chess grandmaster Sergey Karjakin has been suspended from playing for six months for publicly supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The 32-year-old player is an outspoken supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
 
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