Evolution vs creationism ?

Camper6 said:
We really don't care about mushrooms existing on other worlds do we?

What is this fascination with other worlds? There are all kinds of places on the Earth that are uninhabited.
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Scientists care about all sorts of things on other worlds from the rocks to the atmosphere and the internal structures. From these studies we are able to confirm our theories about our own world and learn more about our unique home.

Since I was reminiscing in an earlier post, allow me to do it again. I once enrolled myself in a short astronomy course for science teachers run by the Chief Astronomer of NSW. Week by week he explained what was currently known about the universe and we had the added pleasure of being able to view the night sky through the wonderful optical telescope of Sydney Observatory.

His final message - look after the Earth because it is the only place where a human can exist for even one minute without a space suit.
 
HappyFlowerLady, I would dearly love to know where you got those pictures of what are supposed to be dinosaurs. The very last thing I wish to do is insult you or your religious beliefs but I do not think they are ancient carvings. If we look at the 2nd picture, (post # 60) look closely at the "feet" of the alleged dinosaur. That type of dinosaur had legs like a log turned on end, similar to what a modern elephant, hippo or rhino has.
The animal in the 2nd picture has some very strange "feet". No four legged dinosaur ever had "feet" like that. Heck, the carving even shows "toes".
I believe the person who made those carvings/drawings saw a cartoon, or a movie, and tried to copy it.
 
Traveler, I have no idea if the pictures are real or not, either. I am simply keeping my mind open to the possibility that what we have believed about ancient history might not be what it really was after all, and as archeologists find new evidence about things, I enjoy reading and studying about the possibilities.
Ancient history of this type is one of the things that i am very interested in, so I have read different ideas of what might have existed.
Like everyone else, I grew up learning about evolution, and believed that it somehow fit in with the Bible version of creation, even though I had no idea how they fit together.
Now, I am trying to overcome those preconceived beliefs, and actually look at other options, and some of them have merit, such as the information about the similarity between the making of the Spirit Lake canyons in Washington State, and the Grand Canyon, both having been formed in a much shorter time frame than what was previously believed.

It is fooolish to try and make a conclusion about something unless we have studied all of the evidence.
Whatever is, IS, whether we understand or believe it or not. At this point in my life, I don’t care so much what the truth turns out to be, as I do learning as much as I can about what it might be.

Here is a short video that shows more about the carved stones that I posted pictures of, and there is a lot more information if you look on the internet. The Cambodian temple at Angkor Wat also has what appears to be a dinosaur carved into the doorway, and it was made around 1100 AD.
If that is so, then it is possible that dinosaurs existed in some places much longer than we have believed that they did, and could even possibly still exist in very remote parts of the earth.
 
Warrigal said:
His final message - look after the Earth because it is the only place where a human can exist for even one minute without a space suit.
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But if a person believes in evolution.


Three decades, the biological revolution
To a biologist, freeze-drying microbes for harsh space travel conjures up rather mundane kitchen science, a simple reenactment of how a yeast packet taken from the freezer can make bread dough rise prior to baking. But to a new breed of biologist exploring the harshest conditions on Earth, how a delicate microbe manages to counteract vacuum, boiling temperatures, burning radiation, and crushing pressures deep in the frozen icecaps is the study of life itself.
For example, only now after 30 years of biological progress can scientists begin to scan down the genetic script underlying the causes of malaria, syphilis, cholera and tuberculosis. Within a few years, it is estimated that 50 to 100 complete genomes of living organisms will be entirely deciphered, presenting the first opportunities for deep evolutionary comparisons and insights into exactly the remarkable means by which the common Strep. bacteria could revive itself after 2.6 years on the moon.


https://science.nasa.gov/science-new.../ast01sep98_1/

Evolution is a fact.


Fossils show mankind and animal life far different than what we see now. Billions of years vs. the bible version & time frame in the bible. Then there is the made in his image or likeness thing. If a human can't survive in space for even one minute how does that being that is billions of years old survive?
 
HappyFlowerLady, Unfortunately, Erich von Daniken is a proven fraud. He makes a small fortune writing about how aliens built the Egyptian Pyramids and other such non-sense. One of his many books on the subject, "Chariots of the Gods" has made him a millionaire. If Mr Von Daniken told me that the Sun rises in the East, I'd double check it out. IMO, the man is a fool. It is very likely that he had those pieces of pottery made just so he could show "proof".
 
I disagree Traveler. True Erich von Daniken made some mistakes in his first book but his overall vision was a good one. He has opened the eyes of millions to possibilities other than the mainstream teachings. Whether one believes his theories about ancient aliens or not, he has at least got people thinking. I personally believe there is a lot of merit to his ideas.

Too many, probably most people accept the religious teachings they were brought up with as fact without giving them a thought Those who think are the ones who learn.

You seem awfully concerned that he has made a lot of money. He has made a lot of money because millions of people are interested in his ideas.
 
Warrigal said:
Language can have very negative effects so hopefully it can also have positive ones as well.
For us oldies not so much, but for young girls just forming ideas of their potential I would say tremendously would not be impossible.
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I hope you are right but I doubt the common use of language getting changed is going to do much good for the benefit of mankind.

This is one of those things that no one pays much attention to. When you refer to a ship it's always in the female form.

She left for Liverpool today. Did it harm anyone? Is it accepted?
 
rkunsaw said:
I disagree Traveler. True Erich von Daniken made some mistakes in his first book but his overall vision was a good one. He has opened the eyes of millions to possibilities other than the mainstream teachings. Whether one believes his theories about ancient aliens or not, he has at least got people thinking. I personally believe there is a lot of merit to his ideas.

Too many, probably most people accept the religious teachings they were brought up with as fact without giving them a thought Those who think are the ones who learn.

You seem awfully concerned that he has made a lot of money. He has made a lot of money because millions of people are interested in his ideas.
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The hard evidence shows that the Egyptian pyramids were built by the people who populated what is now called Egypt.

No aliens involved.
 
As to the question posed by the former evolutionist in FlowerLady's video - why haven't scientists been able to create life in the lab - they have indeed.

Back in 2010 Craig Venter and his team created a completely new "synthetic" form of life from a mix of chemicals. They manufactured a new chromosome from artificial DNA in a test tube, then transferred it into an empty cell and watched it multiply – the very definition of being alive.

They called the life form "Synthia". :D

I also recall seeing a documentary - on Nova? - that detailed the success of computer scientists modeling the creation of life from random combinations of chemicals that existed before "life" itself. The computer model took millions of years of hit and miss pairings, but finally achieved a series of amino acids and DNA that became a proto-life form.

I see it as being equivalent to the idea that if you have a room full of monkeys sitting in front of typewriters, at some point (perhaps millions of years later) they will have produced the entire works of Shakespeare.
 
To begin, I have an absolute PASSION for science! Everything about it and no matter the arena, I love it! Paleontology, Geology, Neural mechanics, Biology, Archaeology, Chemistry and just about anything that ends in ology, I am in love with.
Now, is it because it is always right? On the contrary, the reason I love it is because that which science has proven to be correct is nearly always proven to be incorrect on another date and by the same scientific methodology that was formally used to provide the "facts".
Though it may seem so, there is nothing about any part of science that is deemed as empirical because it is, after all, a process in which the imperfect is asked to provide the perfect.

What is human consciousness? Scientifically Undefined. What is thought? Cannot be measured, heard, nor seen. Scientifically Undefined. Do humans have instinct? Now scientifically unknown due to quantum DNA entanglement theories.
Is Water Wet? How many planets are really orbiting Sol? Are we alone in our solar system or the universe? Are animals sentient?

So many questions surround us but yet, some individuals can, without any shadow of a doubt say with empirical certainty that such and such is what they believe it to be and for the most part, are simply relying on the say so of someone else.

I, for one, do like the explanation of creationism for I absolutely do believe in a designed reality as provided by an authority we call God. Others may choose to believe they came from a one celled organism that eventually crawled up out of the muck and later evolved into an intelligent human being.
No matter the preference, there is absolutely no empirical scientific evidence which can satisfy all of the proofs that are needed to form anything other than the second step of hypothesis.

Whether the creationist or the evolutionist, everything relies on an extreme amount of faith attached to it for what is deemed to be scientific proof today, will be scientifically proven wrong tomorrow.
 
[QUOTEScience and the preponderance of the evidence. Have your fingerprint checked. See if anyone else has the same.[/QUOTE]

Camper, how on earth could anyone find out if "anyone else" has the same fingerprints? All we can check is what's on file. Is every fingerprint that has ever existed on file?

As for the snowflakes, that's even more absurd. Whenever I hear that old canard about no two snowflakes being the same, I immediately think, "How do you know?" When a thing is impossible to verify, it is absurd to make
assumptions about it.
 

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