George Floyd was a victim
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He didn’t resist arrest. There was far more than one video of him being arrested and not one showed aggressiveness on HIS part. The only aggression showed was from law enforcement. You know, the people who serve and protect which again, is why they ( all four of them, have been charged and rightly so).
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NO NO NO.
What brought about his death is a police officer kneeling on his neck and cutting off his air supply for almost 9 minutes while three other officers of the law watched.
The mandate of law enforcement is to PROTECT AND SERVE. Derek Chauvin was neither protecting nor serving the public. He was brutalizing Mr. Floyd. It is NOT in Chauvin's job description to act as jury and executioner. We have a justice system that DOES NOT ALLOW for summary execution by police.
We have a justice system and process for a reason, and it’s NOT so that cops get to decide who they’re gonna kill today based on a person’s prior record! Period, end of discussion. ALL other arguments are null and void.
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Aren't you supposed to get a trial to determine criminality or innocence? And at that trial previous earlier crimes or misdemeanours are irrelevant until the verdict for the current charge(s) are deliberated? Only when a guilty verdict is established is the sentence delivered taking into account criminal history.
May I point out that Justine Ruszczyk, an Australian woman who had actually phoned the Minneapolis police to report a suspected crime, was shot by the same police in her dressing gown and PJs when she approached the squad car. She was no criminal but she died any way.
Summary execution by law enforcement officers has no place in an advanced democracy.
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Just in case there is ANY misunderstanding, I am NOT demonizing all cops. They have a sometimes impossible job, made even more difficult in times like these were are currently living in and experiencing.
Do I think some cops are power-hungry and corrupt? Yes, I do, because I understand human nature, and so I know that in ANY profession, in any group of people, there will be a small percentage who are bad apples, who are corrupt, who are USING their job or the protections that their profession provides to be unethical, immoral, lacking in remorse, or outright criminal.
There'll always be that element, in any profession. Law enforcement is no exception.
Do I think some cops are power-hungry and corrupt? Yes, I do, because I understand human nature, and so I know that in ANY profession, in any group of people, there will be a small percentage who are bad apples, who are corrupt, who are USING their job or the protections that their profession provides to be unethical, immoral, lacking in remorse, or outright criminal.
There'll always be that element, in any profession. Law enforcement is no exception.
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but I didn't say it did...I clearly said he was murdered IMO , however, he was a career criminal so the fact remains if he hadn't been he would far more likely to be alive... than if he hadn't been a criminal...
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The "criminal activity" he was "involved" in which caused the encounter with the police was the alleged passing of a counterfeit bill. Did he know it was counterfeit? How would the average person know if they had a counterfeit bill? Does the average person even think about whether a bill in their pocket is counterfeit? I certainly don't, and I'm not sure I'd even recognize counterfeit.
I seriously doubt that if it had been I who gave the clerk an alleged counterfeit bill that I'd been thrown down in the street and killed -- but then I'm a little ol' white lady with grey hair, and that's the point: he was treated very differently because he was a black man. Had he been a white man in business dress, I doubt he would have been treated as Mr. Floyd was, and that's the big problem.
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Slight correction. Two other officers were standing one was on his torso. That weight on his torso would IMO help to cause inability to breathe properly . Between loss of blood circulation to the brain & pressure on his torso the ALLEGED criminal was as described a Victim
Warrigal
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Given the undeniable statistics it could also be said that if he was a white man he would also be far more likely to be alive, even if he was also a career criminal. There are many elements to this case but in the end a man is dead. He no longer has a voice with which to defend himself.
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Thank you. I stand corrected.
Knight
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Me to. Per Keesha's pic. One kneeling on his neck & chest, one on his lower torso one on his legs. That man didn't stand a China man's chance in hell of moving let alone pose a threat.
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Ronni
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RGP and others who have responded in a similar manner, to the tune of IF he hadn't been a criminal, IF wasn't committing a crime, If he hadn't been bad in the past etc, you are all BLAMING THE VICTIM. It's the VICTIMS's fault, because......
VICTIM BLAMING marginalizes the victim and minimizes the criminal act. It causes the victim, and NOT the perpetrator, to be held accountable for what happened to them.
Victim-blaming originates from ignorance, meanness, or a smug sense of superiority. It is a bias that makes it seem like the victims of a crime, accident, or other misfortune should have been able to predict and prevent whatever problem might have befallen them.
Blaming the victim suggests that people should have simply known or expected such things to happen given their past or current behavior.
Victim blaming seeks to deflect, by various means, the responsibility of the act from the perpetrator, and directly onto the victim. It is a cowardly, irresponsible response and says far more about the person doing the blaming than it does the victim.
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Sassycakes
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Nate007.I agree with you 100%. He was subdued and unable to escape. What the Police officers did was uncalled for. Even if he had committed a murder he was not in a position to escape. I have always had a great deal of respect for Police officers, but not the ones that killed this poor man. I wonder if the people that condone what the officers did, would they condone it if the person that died was a member of their family. I don't think so..
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Say what? Please think before you speak/write.
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The kindest thing I can say about the folks who blame the victim is that a lot of victim blaming comes from a place of fear. Fear that the same might happen to them. Fear that they could be next. Fear that they may become a victim too.
Holding the victim instead of the perpetrator responsible for their misfortune can be a way to avoid admitting that something just as unthinkable could happen to them too. But it shouldn't/couldn't happen to them, because THEY are doing everything right!
Psychologists believe that our tendency to blame the victim may originate in the idea that the world is basically a good, just place, and that we ourselves aren't vulnerable to the bad things we see in the news because the world is basically fair, and in a fair world, if we do right, then we can stave off the bad. That's where the saying like “What goes around comes around,” "you reap what you sow" etc.
So we psychologically separate ourselves from the victim, and speculate, or insist, that they did something to invite the tragedy. They blame the victim, thus reassuring themselves that they won't be next.
Holding the victim instead of the perpetrator responsible for their misfortune can be a way to avoid admitting that something just as unthinkable could happen to them too. But it shouldn't/couldn't happen to them, because THEY are doing everything right!
Psychologists believe that our tendency to blame the victim may originate in the idea that the world is basically a good, just place, and that we ourselves aren't vulnerable to the bad things we see in the news because the world is basically fair, and in a fair world, if we do right, then we can stave off the bad. That's where the saying like “What goes around comes around,” "you reap what you sow" etc.
So we psychologically separate ourselves from the victim, and speculate, or insist, that they did something to invite the tragedy. They blame the victim, thus reassuring themselves that they won't be next.
Yep! Just because someone is being brutally punished, doesn’t mean they deserve it.
Lets keep the racist jokes out of it.
Yeah.
Lets keep the racist jokes out of it.rgp
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Yes, I approve of the methods & procedures used by police , as taught too them in their training, until it proves to need reconsideration .... as it appears to here. They are the ones we hire [through our vote] to protect us.
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