Good and Evil

Emotion (or feelings) are neither good nor bad.
In any case, they are fleeting. They rise and fall.
It's how we respond to them that really matters.

The story of the two wolves, like most parables, is worth internalising and reflecting upon from time to time.
It can help use rise above our more painful moments, past and present.
 
Warrigal said:
Emotion (or feelings) are neither good nor bad.
In any case, they are fleeting. They rise and fall.
It's how we respond to them that really matters.
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While I agree with this in theory, in practice people are slaves to their emotions. They are not taught to control them - rather, looking around our society nowadays, I would venture to say that we are encouraged to express them as loudly and as dramatically as possible. We are now raised with the expectation of our crying out whenever we please, for however trivial a reason, because "it's healthier that way".

Some people are slaves not only for the moment, but for their entire lives. They live in the past and continue to re-visit their low times, moaning and crying over how unfair life was to them. They die in tears, having existed with their hearts on their sleeves.

The story of the two wolves, like most parables, is worth internalising and reflecting upon from time to time.
It can help use rise above our more painful moments, past and present.
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A lesson is only as useful as a student's willingness to learn it.
 
That Guy said:
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Boy this movie got to me, way creepy, I guess that call that a sociopath no conscience in murdering someone.
 
I want to thank every one of you that has taken the time to ponder this question. I have run from anything that even resembled a religion, mainly because I couldn't find a nitch in which I could fit into, and my lack of education.
I can feel my depression starting to lessen, and I think it will not be a long time before I return to my regular optimistic out look. I guess too much "stuff" just came at me all at once, and then kept coming. Your patience has been a life saver for me.
I am quieting down I feel. I can't tell you how much you have helped me. Every one of you.
Lately I've been doing a lot of just reading your posts, and just trying to post enough to let ya'll know I'm still here. I can't tell you how much you have help me put my thoughts back together.:bighug:
 
Ina said:
I want to thank every one of you that has taken the time to ponder this question. I have run from anything that even resembled a religion, mainly because I couldn't find a nitch in which I could fit into, and my lack of education.
I can feel my depression starting to lessen, and I think it will not be a long time before I return to my regular optimistic out look. I guess too much "stuff" just came at me all at once, and then kept coming. Your patience has been a life saver for me.
I am quieting down I feel. I can't tell you how much you have helped me. Every one of you.
Lately I've been doing a lot of just reading your posts, and just trying to post enough to let ya'll know I'm still here. I can't tell you how much you have help me put my thoughts back together.:bighug:
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Happy to hear this Ina, I know when I have had any depression, it comes then goes. It doesn't "feel" as if it will go, but it does. As far as religion, I know for me personally I have been on a search, and will continue to find what rings true to me. One thing I liked about christianity was that they said it was "personal" which I believe is true.

See you around, and you and Michael have a lovely St. Patrick's day:) Denise
 
I've been thinking of you a lot, Ina, and I'm glad that you have drawn something good from being part of this online community. I hope that tomorrow, somewhere in the memories that it will bring up, that you will find comfort that helps to heal your inner wounds.
 
Thank you Warri, I have never had more than a couple of friends in my lifetime, I guess I was be busy with the family. I guess I thought if anyone knew who I was and what had happened to me they would just be discussed, and some were. But if I discussed anyone they were polite enough to to ignore me. I know many people have had to deal with much more than I, and maybe one day I can say something meaningful, and help them. :encouragement:
 
nwlady said:
Boy this movie got to me, way creepy, I guess that call that a sociopath no conscience in murdering someone.
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Actually the essential difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is that the former is of little danger to others, while the latter moves into criminal acts.

Therefore, a murderer would correctly be termed a psychopath.
 
SifuPhil said:
Actually the essential difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is that the former is of little danger to others, while the latter moves into criminal acts.

Therefore, a murderer would correctly be termed a psychopath.
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Ok, thanks for the info Phil, didn't realize the dif. The psychopath evidently has not conscience either I take it. Strange world for sure.
 
nwlady said:
eeeeeeeeeweeeee, that is just creepy. Ted Bundy I take it hey? Everyone liked him, eek!!
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Exactly.

Sociopathy and psychopathy share some confusing roots. They are terms that are often used interchangeably, and even the DSM - the textbook of psychiatry - has flip-flopped on the usage of the two terms.

Modern-day sociopathy most often resembles APD - Antisocial Personality Disorder - but differs from psychopathy in degree and intent. Most prisoners in jails, for example, could be said to be sociopaths, but only a very small percentage are psychopaths.
 
SifuPhil said:
Exactly.

Sociopathy and psychopathy share some confusing roots. They are terms that are often used interchangeably, and even the DSM - the textbook of psychiatry - has flip-flopped on the usage of the two terms.

Modern-day sociopathy most often resembles APD - Antisocial Personality Disorder - but differs from psychopathy in degree and intent. Most prisoners in jails, for example, could be said to be sociopaths, but only a very small percentage are psychopaths.
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Really, most prisoners/criminals are considered sociopaths? I guess I find it hard to believe so many people are literally without conscience. I mean, it's just hard to believe, no remorse at all for doing wrong. Seems like many of our criminals do realize the did wrong and get on the right road, I mean, I don't know, I'm just getting this from what I've seen on tv, or in articles, which I don't make a habit of studying the criminal mind.
 
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I'm sorry to say this, Phil and NWLady, but I don't think this side issue is really helping the OP all that much. Ina has spoken of her pain in this thread and first it was derailed by mention of male nipples and now it is wandering off course in an abstract discussion of the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths.

Did you both miss the revelation that tomorrow is the birthday of the son whom she still mourns? Take off the emotional blinkers and think before you keep going in this thread. Start another if you want to explore these ideas any further. Enough is enough on this one.
 
I didn't think, and I am sorry WG, I will not post again on what Phil and I got off on. Apologies Ina, as well as anyone else in the thread. Denise
 
Ina said:
Young Michael's birthday would have been tomorrow, but I think I'm ready for it.
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My heart aches for you , too, Ina, and I know that I would not be holding it together, if I were in your place. Grief is a part of the healing , and there is no putting boundaries on how long or how deep it is, it is personal to each person. Treat yourself kindly, try to remember some of the good memories, and save them for the future.
As a Christian, I have been raised to believe in a future place called heaven, where we are together again with our loved ones. This gives me comfort when I think about the loved ones I have lost. I understand that your perception of religion has been totally different than mine, and there is no way to know that we will be with our family again; but there is no real proof that it won't happen, either.

If I believe in God, and it turns out that I was wrong, it won't make any difference; however, it gives me great comfort to believe that there is a loving Creator, who made this beautiful world for us, and wants us to follow that part of our heart that loves other people, and not the part that has no compassion for others.
I don't have the answer about good and evil, and think that Warrigal has done a wonderful job of explaining it. I don't know why so much hatred and cruelty exists, but it seems to me that some people have just lost that "spark" that connects us with God, who is LOVE.
 
SifuPhil said:
I won't post anymore either. My apologies.
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No, you know what? I'm NOT sorry.

The topic of this post wasn't about Ina's pain - it was about the concept of Good and Evil. Discussions of sociopaths and psychopaths fit into the defining of those terms.

I'm tired of being pursued by Topic Police here, and until a Moderator or Admin tell me to cease and desist I'm going to keep posting what I want to post. If Ina has a problem with it she is more than welcome to come directly to me and tell me, but until that time I don't see that I've derailed this conversation at all, only added to it. I'm sorry Warri if you see it differently, but I'm also sad to see this board falling into the hands of a few self-appointed Guardians of the Public Good.

This is a Public forum - only the Admin, the Mods and the OP have the right to censure me.
 
SifuPhil said:
No, you know what? I'm NOT sorry.

The topic of this post wasn't about Ina's pain - it was about the concept of Good and Evil. Discussions of sociopaths and psychopaths fit into the defining of those terms.

I'm tired of being pursued by Topic Police here, and until a Moderator or Admin tell me to cease and desist I'm going to keep posting what I want to post. If Ina has a problem with it she is more than welcome to come directly to me and tell me, but until that time I don't see that I've derailed this conversation at all, only added to it. I'm sorry Warri if you see it differently, but I'm also sad to see this board falling into the hands of a few self-appointed Guardians of the Public Good.

This is a Public forum - only the Admin, the Mods and the OP have the right to censure me.
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Yay, Phil!
 
HFL, I too believe in a creator. I have always felt the creator. That is how I knew all those people in my father's church were wrong. I don't hear "voices", but something inside kept telling me what was happening was wrong. I guess that is what I'm still looking for. I believe we are all part of the creator, even the bad guys.:dunno:
 
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