National guard troops to the border

National guard troops to the border is the topic. Stopping ILLEGAL ENTRY the concept I think the op had in mind.


There is a tipping point that any society can't manage. With the decline of manufacturing jobs and increase of technology replacing the need for manual labor the previous "acceptance/use" of labor doing jobs American's wouldn't do is fading quickly. A steady flow of ILLEGALS still looking for a better life is tipping the balance. Not funny but I wonder how long before it will be when a person wants to use their phone Spainish will be the primary language with English being the choice.
 
Shalimar said:
With respect, I disagree. In my line of work, you see so much death and suffering that if you cannot keep a sense of detachment you will be destroyed. I can be a hard core realist when required, but some things are just immoral. Cruelty to children is one of them. No person of faith could countenance such a horror.
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Well, I had a job once, back in the mid 70's, where I seen my share of death and even suffering...........it was called, being an EMT in the somewhat rough neighborhoods of Compton, Watts, South Central, Los Angeles and others.

One thing for sure, not everyone in this America has "faith", but even those that do, want this illegal immigration to stop. Wife and I have "faith" and are Christians and we still want something done. Stop with Customer Service in Spanish and some auto stores that have items on signs in English, Spanish and Vietnamese.
 
HipGnosis said:
I partially agree. I think the DACA children should stay, and be given the opportunity to BECOME citizens.

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And, obviously, with a time limit to do it. But, what will happen if they simply don't want to become citizen's, then what????
 
Traveler said:
Oh, Please . Give me a freakin' break. Do you have any idea, any idea at all, what those people eat in their OWN countries ? I guarantee that MRE's are very high calories foods and are much more nutritional than they are used to. I didn't say a word about starving anyone. I said a bland diet.

Come on down here and I'll show you 2 year old babies eating raw red radishes.

What I think you have in mind is housing the illegals in a tropical resort with 5 star cuisine, prepared by master chefs, so the mothers are not "SRESSED OUT". That seems to be the only thing which would satisfy you.
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Excuse me, Monsieur, I have paid you the courtesy of treating you with respect, regardless of our differences in perspective. I have earned the right to receive the same. As for the Five Star reference, that has no basis in fact, nor are you able to read my mind.
 
Aunt Bea said:
It always seems to go from one extreme to another with no reasonable sustainable solution.

I believe that we should weed out the criminals and turn them back.

I think that we should work with the countries that these people come from and try to help resolve the issues that cause them to come to the United States.

I think that we should be able to work with honest hardworking poor people by issuing a work visa and helping them relocate to an area of the United States or Canada where they can find employment, make a decent life and eventually become citizens.

The selfish fact of life is that we need these people if we expect to maintain our standard of living.

It seems to me that the massive amounts of money that we spend trying to stop these people would be better spent helping them and us build a better life.
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How on earth would the criminals be weeded out? Do you think they wear badges?

I don't believe anyone here has an issue with LEGAL IMMIGRATION. It's the "illegal" part that people seem to overlook.
 
The United States has had reasonable laws regarding immigration on the books for years but they have been ignored because an illegal could be exploited - they worked cheaper! And cheaper wages for dish washers, field hands, ditch diggers and house cleaners, cooks and child minders left more money in the pocket of the individual employer. If public assistance provided free schooling and health care, that was good too because it also left more money in the pocket of the employer. Last century's good old American greed created today's immigration quandary. Compassion had little to do with it.

Back-door/illegal immigration fueled by greed is still not only allowed but encouraged - sanctuary cities, for example - and it is an insult to the country's legal immigrant population. Unfortunately, innocent children in all societies are often harmed by their parent's actions. We must allow the current innocents to stay but insist on loyalty and allegiance to the United States, obedience of its laws and beginning the path to citizenship. If your heart is in another country, your body needs to be there too.

And lock the back-door by whatever means necessary. We are a nation of laws and it is time to begin to either obey the ones we have regarding immigration or change them.
 
Actually, I sometimes wonder about how some people from India dress..........their attire sure isn't "loyalty" to America. Anyway, they are either legal or becoming legal, but some still wear their native dress. We have a neighbor that does just that. There are other Indians that live in the complex that dress totally like American's. Wonder why she doesn't want to.

Nobody says a word about how some people from India dress. Apparently this ladies heart is still in India. Oh well, she is legal or working on it. Very nice lady though.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Actually, I sometimes wonder about how some people from India dress..........their attire sure isn't "loyalty" to America. Anyway, they are either legal or becoming legal, but some still wear their native dress. We have a neighbor that does just that. There are other Indians that live in the complex that dress totally like American's. Wonder why she doesn't want to.

Nobody says a word about how some people from India dress. Apparently this ladies heart is still in India. Oh well, she is legal or working on it. Very nice lady though.
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A friend of mine actually asked a motel owner about that once...the Indian said for him, it's simple...his native dress was just more comfortable than American style shirt & pants......That one just makes sense .
 
I live in the very heart of Hispanic California, Yan Ysidro. Living as I do, I see things and know things that few of the people who want MORE illegal immigration experience.

Locally, at Walmart few of the employees speak enough English to answer basic questions like, Excuse me, where can I find the kitchen mops ?" last year I asked an employee at Walmart where I could find the ironing boards, He replied, "Ironings boards ? What are they used for?"

At ALL of the local Super Markets, it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy simple every day items like Oscar Meyer sliced ham or Hunts tomato sauce. Mexicans don't buy those, and dozens of other items, so the Super Marts have stopped selling them. If I want to buy a decent steak, it is impossible. A Mexicans idea of a steak is so thin that you can almost read a newspaper through it.

I can't buy Canada Dry Ginger Ale, but there is plenty of shelf space for hundreds of strange Mexican sodas. On and on it goes. Worse every month.

I've had a knife pulled on me because I insisted that a young strong Mexican man give up his "handicapped/elderly only" seat on the trolley. For much of the day getting a seat on the trolley is next to impossible due to the flood of Mexicans traveling back and forth from Mexico.

And when I attempt to cross the street, in the crosswalk, I am taking my life in my hands because Mexicans are not used to obeying basic traffic laws. Mexicans don't understand that pedestrians, in a cross-walk,
have the right of way.

Someone brought up the need for cheap Mexican labor here in the states and that is why she favored letting more Mexicans in to the states. Well, at the San Ysidro/Tijuana land border crossing, (the busiest land border crossing in the world) 8 million Mexicans legally cross over EVERY YEAR. That, my friends, is just one 48 of border check points. We do not need any more cheap labor. There is more than enough cheap labor here already, 9- 11 million illegals here at last estimate.

However, it does not matter what argument is made to stop the flood of illegals there are always going to be those who want to destroy our country and they don't care if there are 50 million illegals or 200 million illegal here. Those supporters of illegal immigration will find any excuse for more, ever more. illegals. The favorite word of those people is "VICTIM" and they use that word like a club in a failed attempt to silence their opponents.
 
rgp said:
A friend of mine actually asked a motel owner about that once...the Indian said for him, it's simple...his native dress was just more comfortable than American style shirt & pants......That one just makes sense .
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Yes and no. IMO, Nobody from a foreign country should wear their native clothes. It simply looks like that don't want to be Americans, even when they become legal. I mean, a lot of society is tired of not only all the illegals, but different foreign languages spoken. A lot of folks that speak their countries language can speak English, they just chose not to. I don't get it? Become American, act, dress speak the language.......I don't know.

But, then again, there are a lot of Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, India and other ethnic restaurants around the U.S., so........ Actually, I've seen a number of movies, where somewhere in the script, there is a statement where someone says "Why don't you speak English?". One movie was, Steven Seagal's Under Siege. when Gary Busey says that to a Russian crew member of a submarine.
 
Traveler said:
I live in the very heart of Hispanic California, Yan Ysidro. Living as I do, I see things and know things that few of the people who want MORE illegal immigration experience.

Locally, at Walmart few of the employees speak enough English to answer basic questions like, Excuse me, where can I find the kitchen mops ?" last year I asked an employee at Walmart where I could find the ironing boards, He replied, "Ironings boards ? What are they used for?"

At ALL of the local Super Markets, it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy simple every day items like Oscar Meyer sliced ham or Hunts tomato sauce. Mexicans don't buy those, and dozens of other items, so the Super Marts have stopped selling them. If I want to buy a decent steak, it is impossible. A Mexicans idea of a steak is so thin that you can almost read a newspaper through it.

I can't buy Canada Dry Ginger Ale, but there is plenty of shelf space for hundreds of strange Mexican sodas. On and on it goes. Worse every month.

I've had a knife pulled on me because I insisted that a young strong Mexican man give up his "handicapped/elderly only" seat on the trolley. For much of the day getting a seat on the trolley is next to impossible due to the flood of Mexicans traveling back and forth from Mexico.

And when I attempt to cross the street, in the crosswalk, I am taking my life in my hands because Mexicans are not used to obeying basic traffic laws. Mexicans don't understand that pedestrians, in a cross-walk,
have the right of way.

Someone brought up the need for cheap Mexican labor here in the states and that is why she favored letting more Mexicans in to the states. Well, at the San Ysidro/Tijuana land border crossing, (the busiest land border crossing in the world) 8 million Mexicans legally cross over EVERY YEAR. That, my friends, is just one of hundreds of border check points. We do not need any more cheap labor. There is more than enough cheap labor here already, 9- 11 million illegals here at last estimate.

However, it does not matter what argument is made to stop the flood of illegals there are always going to be those who want to destroy our country and they don't care if there are 50 million illegals or 200 million illegal here. Those supporters of illegal immigration will find any excuse for more, ever more. illegals. The favorite word of those people is "VICTIM" and they use that word like a club in a failed attempt to silence their opponents.
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Hummmmmm, very interesting, but also VERY TRUE.
 
Traveler, I've had a similar experience when I lived in Imperial valley. Was at the walmart in Calexico and was stabbed in the back shoulder blade by an illegal for no reason. Just walking back to my car when.... thud in the back. Worst of all, they arrested him and deported him for, as the police told me, the 4th time. :mad: You will never get me to agree with any illegal immigration policy. As a side note, every one of the Mexicans I worked with all hated illegals because they were basically jumping the line. That's something the media will never report.
I'm for a wall.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Yes and no. IMO, Nobody from a foreign country should wear their native clothes. It simply looks like that don't want to be Americans, even when they become legal. I mean, a lot of society is tired of not only all the illegals, but different foreign languages spoken. A lot of folks that speak their countries language can speak English, they just chose not to. I don't get it? Become American, act, dress speak the language.......I don't know.

But, then again, there are a lot of Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, India and other ethnic restaurants around the U.S., so........ Actually, I've seen a number of movies, where somewhere in the script, there is a statement where someone says "Why don't you speak English?". One movie was, Steven Seagal's Under Siege. when Gary Busey says that to a Russian crew member of a submarine.
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OK, I have to say that that is ridiculous. America is the "home of the free," which definitely includes wearing the clothing of your choice. As long as people's private parts aren't on display I couldn't care less what type of clothing they are wearing. Good grief.
 
C'est Moi said:
OK, I have to say that that is ridiculous. America is the "home of the free," which definitely includes wearing the clothing of your choice. As long as people's private parts aren't on display I couldn't care less what type of clothing they are wearing. Good grief.
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Agreed to a point, on a lighter note some folks need some assistance with their fashion choices. Something about PJ's and bedroom slippers with bunnies on them at 1 am in Walmart isn't quite what I expect.
 
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ClassicRockr said:
Yes and no. IMO, Nobody from a foreign country should wear their native clothes. It simply looks like that don't want to be Americans, even when they become legal. I mean, a lot of society is tired of not only all the illegals, but different foreign languages spoken. A lot of folks that speak their countries language can speak English, they just chose not to. I don't get it? Become American, act, dress speak the language.......I don't know.

But, then again, there are a lot of Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, India and other ethnic restaurants around the U.S., so........ Actually, I've seen a number of movies, where somewhere in the script, there is a statement where someone says "Why don't you speak English?". One movie was, Steven Seagal's Under Siege. when Gary Busey says that to a Russian crew member of a submarine.
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So, everyone who has come to the U.S. should dress like this fellow? native american.jpg :)
 
Traveler said:
Catch and release

Catch and release may be an ok idea when fishing for sport but a terrible idea when it comes to illegal aliens. Last month when the 37,393 illegal aliens were caught crossing the border, most of them were returned to Mexico within a day or so.

This needs to change. I think some sort of price must be paid by the criminal aliens. I therefore suggest a new idea. Hold them is a secure compound for a minimum of 90 days. We could use the same tents and equipment used to house and feed to U.S. military when they are in the field. The major difference would be the food would not be to their liking.

Mexican are used to a steady diet if extremely highly spice foods. The food given to them could be capable of supporting life but quite bland. They would absolutely hate that. If unheated MRE's are good enough for U.S. troops then it would be good enough for the illegals. No frijoles, no chili peppers, no rice, no tortillas, no anything they really like. And, to drink ? Plain unflavored water.
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Happyflowerlady said:
It is also important to consider the life the child was leading before they were stopped while crossing the border.

They probably were not eating the best of food (if at all) or getting fresh milk to drink on the trek either; so it is not like these children would be being denied something that they had been already having as they were illegally coming across the border.
Life would probably be even worse for these children if they were not found and stopped, regardless of whether they were held here or deported back into Mexico again.
Many of the illegals who do come across into the US then die in the desert, and it is a long and horrible death, and one that is imposed upon the children by their parents bringing them across illegally.
Those people would be happy to be found and detained or deported at that point; and what Traveler is suggesting is in no way cruel to the illegals, just a deterrent so that they do not come right back through the border.

I am not sure that detaining these people for illegally crossing the border would work; but I see no reason why it would not be legal or ethical to do so.
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too easy

let them eat cake


Marie would be so proud
 
GREAT NEWS !

It was just reported on the evening news that the "catch and release" policy will be ending and that all future detainees will be housed at remote military facilities within the lower 48 states. Hallelujah ! Its about freakin'time.

When did I post about this exact same thing ? 12 hours ago ? I must be prescient. :D

Since the illegals have committed a federal crime, they will be tried, and protected by Federal law.

This will give the federal authorities time to weed out, and fully prosecute those who have been deported before.

It was stated on the news that the men caught kidnapping young girls, some as young as 13, for sex slaves will receive "special attention"

1st timers, however, will likely be released prior to trial. 90 days incarceration for 1st timers seems like a reasonable time frame.

This should slow down the illegal traffic, considerably.
 
If you think that, then I just can't help you. You should be ashamed of yourself. Shame ! Shame ! Shame !

Comparing America to Auschwitz is beyond reprehensible. Disgusting !
 
Aunt Bea said:
Concentration camps are not a new idea.

In Australia, they call them immigration detention facilities. There are mainland immigration detention centres that are simply holding people stopped at the border awaiting deportation or people who have overstayed their visas or breached visa conditions. These are effectively gaols for temporary prisoners.

Then there are the off shore detention centres which are secretive and where even senators are denied visits. These are places where people, including children are dumped and forgotten. Out of sight, out of mind. Even children there have no names, only numbers. IMO they are inhumane and a stain on the reputation of my country.

They are also the most expensive method of dealing with asylum seekers.

I would hope that the United States learned its lesson about internment camps when they herded Americans of Japanese descent into them during WWII.

I can't imagine what horrors it takes for a person to finally decide to cash in everything they have and leave their birthplace in search of a safe place to live and raise their family. IMO the developed nations of the world should be helping these people get on their feet and start a new productive life instead of terrorizing them and treating them like vermin. It seems like a sad, endless and futile war between the haves and the have-nots.
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I fully agree that wealthy nations such as Australia can afford to absorb the relatively few people who attempt to land on our shores by boat in the hope of being granted our protection. I think many Australians have forgotten our history of white settlement and the kind of people who arrived here in the First Fleet. From such an inauspicious beginning we have grown into a country which is hardly poor and we are still a continent with few people living in the Red Centre and the Tropical North.
 

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