Natural immunity fared better against the Delta variant compared to the vaxxes

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WhatInThe said:
Natural immunity fared better against the Delta variant compared to the vaxxes.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

Much data from California and NY during the Delta surge
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I find it funny throughout the article still pushing the vaccine.
I think things like this will pop up as they try to gracefully transition to the end of this as other countries are starting to do...
This will buy some piece of mind for the many who contracted the virus even after vaccine thinking they are double protected as well ....

as for the variants i wonder how they determine each swab would need to be assessed ... they would need to grow out a sample to see the slight variant in it ...my guess has always been they only do that with the hospitalized and assume the follow that trend.
 
Jeni said:
I find it funny throughout the article still pushing the vaccine.
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I noticed that too. They're trying to twist things around. Normally vax fared better should been the bulk of the story with the fine print at the end saying 'vax and natural immunity better' -one sentence. They're trying to down play natural immunity by continuing to bring up the vax. They will never admit natural immunity better in this case.

What's that old expression -Burying the lead?
 

Regardless of what Covid "information" a person chooses to accept, the facts remain that over 5 million have died, worldwide, and over 800K have succumbed to this virus in the U.S. Hospitals, and medical staff are still pushed to their limits, Schools are unable to sustain normal curriculum for our youngsters. Daily routines are still being affected by the ever changing "mandates", etc., etc., etc.

The vast majority of those who have died, or suffered badly fall into the "unvaccinated" category. Many of those who did get vaccinated, and still succumbed, already had underlying health issues that contributed to their demise.

Getting vaccinated is certainly a "personal" choice, but failing to do so, and ignoring things like masking and distancing just insures that this virus is not going to go away, anytime soon.
 
Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found.
 
Don M. said:
Regardless of what Covid "information" a person chooses to accept, the facts remain that over 5 million have died, worldwide, and over 800K have succumbed to this virus in the U.S. Hospitals, and medical staff are still pushed to their limits, Schools are unable to sustain normal curriculum for our youngsters. Daily routines are still being affected by the ever changing "mandates", etc., etc., etc.

The vast majority of those who have died, or suffered badly fall into the "unvaccinated" category. Many of those who did get vaccinated, and still succumbed, already had underlying health issues that contributed to their demise.

Getting vaccinated is certainly a "personal" choice, but failing to do so, and ignoring things like masking and distancing just insures that this virus is not going to go away, anytime soon.
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YYYYup, that vaccine is fixing everything & it's simply mind boggling that some people are so damn stubborn & don't know what's good for them!
:ROFLMAO:
 
Don M. said:
Regardless of what Covid "information" a person chooses to accept, the facts remain that over 5 million have died, worldwide, and over 800K have succumbed to this virus in the U.S. Hospitals, and medical staff are still pushed to their limits, Schools are unable to sustain normal curriculum for our youngsters. Daily routines are still being affected by the ever changing "mandates", etc., etc., etc.

The vast majority of those who have died, or suffered badly fall into the "unvaccinated" category. Many of those who did get vaccinated, and still succumbed, already had underlying health issues that contributed to their demise.

Getting vaccinated is certainly a "personal" choice, but failing to do so, and ignoring things like masking and distancing just insures that this virus is not going to go away, anytime soon.
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This will all be forgotten soon , it won’t go away…..just like the flu , and hay fever, and shingles etc etc…..but it will !!
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found.
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Problem with that number and other statistics/studies is that they never tested those getting vaxxed for antibodies. At least one study has 40% of those that tested positive were asymptomatic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...us-cases-asymptomatic-study-finds/6495693001/

So when most studies mention prior infections is that a positive test or actually sick with symptoms.Did natural immunity or the vax do the job.
 
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So, Whatinthe, you are suggesting that all those vaccinated people who didn't get the illness, or survived it with minor symptoms, just coincidentally happened to be the same ones with natural immunity? And the vaccine had nothing to do with the overwhelming number of vaccinated people who didn't get sick?

Guess Dr. Fauci and all his researchers turned out to be wrong... the vaccine had nothing to do with it, after all!
 
The death rate did not increase because of covid. Large
Don M. said:
Regardless of what Covid "information" a person chooses to accept, the facts remain that over 5 million have died, worldwide, and over 800K have succumbed to this virus in the U.S. Hospitals, and medical staff are still pushed to their limits, Schools are unable to sustain normal curriculum for our youngsters. Daily routines are still being affected by the ever changing "mandates", etc., etc., etc.

The vast majority of those who have died, or suffered badly fall into the "unvaccinated" category. Many of those who did get vaccinated, and still succumbed, already had underlying health issues that contributed to their demise.

Getting vaccinated is certainly a "personal" choice, but failing to do so, and ignoring things like masking and distancing just insures that this virus is not going to go away, anytime soon.
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Actually, the death rate for the year did not increase. Many, perhaps most who died did so "with covid," not from covid. The most vaccinated countries had the highest amount of covid. I realize it is not what the mainstream media claimed for two years, but they have not been purveyors of truth for some time now. Best to get your information elsewhere.
 
I am not sure what the rate from 2020 to 2021 shows when both of those years were filled with Covid related deaths, but most certainly when this all started the death rate from 2019 to 2020 did increase by 16.8% and the life expectancy of a person went down almost 2 years during that time frame of when Covid started. Covid became the 3rd leading cause of death in 2020 behind heart disease and Cancer. This is research data provided by the CDC. This is not claims by the mainstream media or any other media that puts out information that gets all over the place. This is actual scientific research completed by scientists and formulated into statistics. So actually it has increased since the beginning of all of this. It may have plateaued over this past year, but initially it did increase.
 
Rah-Rah said:
I am not sure what the rate from 2020 to 2021 shows when both of those years were filled with Covid related deaths, but most certainly when this all started the death rate from 2019 to 2020 did increase by 16.8% and the life expectancy of a person went down almost 2 years during that time frame of when Covid started. Covid became the 3rd leading cause of death in 2020 behind heart disease and Cancer. This is research data provided by the CDC. This is not claims by the mainstream media or any other media that puts out information that gets all over the place. This is actual scientific research completed by scientists and formulated into statistics. So actually it has increased since the beginning of all of this. It may have plateaued over this past year, but initially it did increase.
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charry said:
This will all be forgotten soon , it won’t go away…..just like the flu , and hay fever, and shingles etc etc…..but it will !!
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A Pfizer scientist said a couple of weeks ago that COVID will become endemic like the flu. Eg: It ain't going away. I say factor in the foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks, the over confidence of those who think they're safe because they've been vaccinated (thus let their guards down as far as protective measures) and the unknown factors about each new variant that's bound to emerge, we're going to have to face facts. I repeat: It ain't going away.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
A Pfizer scientist said a couple of weeks ago that COVID will become endemic like the flu. Eg: It ain't going away. I say factor in the foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks, the over confidence of those who think they're safe because they've been vaccinated (thus let their guards down as far as protective measures) and the unknown factors about each new variant that's bound to emerge, we're going to have to face facts. I repeat: It ain't going away.
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Exactly what I said diva …….
 
OneEyedDiva said:
A Pfizer scientist said a couple of weeks ago that COVID will become endemic like the flu. Eg: It ain't going away. I say factor in the foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks, the over confidence of those who think they're safe because they've been vaccinated (thus let their guards down as far as protective measures) and the unknown factors about each new variant that's bound to emerge, we're going to have to face facts. I repeat: It ain't going away.
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Foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks?!

Alas, numerous studies have shown masks to be completely ineffective against viruses. They have done FAR more harm than good.To children learning social skills for sure but also to adults. Most people are not aware, but the whites of eyes contain the *exact* same substance as the one in nasal lining and in lungs that attracts and binds to covid!! The government knows this but never said a word about it because they now use iris scanning to identify people. Masks are just virtue signaling theater and a sign of obedience. Don't be fooled! Even the government nhs website has a study on n95 masks showing they are ineffective against viruses. Masks are the worst thing to come out of this scamdemic. I kid you not.
 
Debster said:
Foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks?!

Alas, numerous studies have shown masks to be completely ineffective against viruses. They have done FAR more harm than good.To children learning social skills for sure but also to adults. Most people are not aware, but the whites of eyes contain the *exact* same substance as the one in nasal lining and in lungs that attracts and binds to covid!! The government knows this but never said a word about it because they now use iris scanning to identify people. Masks are just virtue signaling theater and a sign of obedience. Don't be fooled! Even the government nhs website has a study on n95 masks showing they are ineffective against viruses. Masks are the worst thing to come out of this scamdemic. I kid you not.
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millions who have died of the disease would indicate that covid-19 is not a scam. medical personnel don't wear masks for the heck of it !where are numerous studies showing that masks are useless? don't get the vaccine. don't wear a mask. don't do social distancing. act like nothings' happening. i wish you luck
 
Debster said:
Foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks?!

Alas, numerous studies have shown masks to be completely ineffective against viruses. They have done FAR more harm than good.To children learning social skills for sure but also to adults. Most people are not aware, but the whites of eyes contain the *exact* same substance as the one in nasal lining and in lungs that attracts and binds to covid!! The government knows this but never said a word about it because they now use iris scanning to identify people. Masks are just virtue signaling theater and a sign of obedience. Don't be fooled! Even the government nhs website has a study on n95 masks showing they are ineffective against viruses. Masks are the worst thing to come out of this scamdemic. I kid you not.
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Dr. Fauci initially admitted masks are useless; don't bother with them. Later, he said what he was told to say & said they're effective protection. That, alone should make people say "Hmmmmmm."
 
suds00 said:
millions who have died of the disease would indicate that covid-19 is not a scam. medical personnel don't wear masks for the heck of it !where are numerous studies showing that masks are useless? don't get the vaccine. don't wear a mask. don't do social distancing. act like nothings' happening. i wish you luck
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it is ON the boxes not only of surgical masks... but.. yes also N95 that it is not to protect from Viruses.
we were told for a year cloth masks ok ...now the same "experts" call a face decoration.

I find it crazy as I helped administer a respiratory program at a medical lab that to wear N95 all day....
we were REQUIRED by OSHA to have employees take an occupational medical exam ...some employees were told not they should NOT wear all day...
but general public can and are encouraged to do...
If i was a business i would sue OSHA for the $$ spent following these medical exams if.....NOW I guess the new thought is exam is un-needed ....
 
experts recommend n95 and kn95 masks. the cloth masks are not useful. dr. fauci states that he changed his position on masks as he learned more about the virus. everyone has learned more about the virus and ways to combat it. that's not unusual.
 
Debster said:
Foolishness of people who think they don't need to wear masks?!

Alas, numerous studies have shown masks to be completely ineffective against viruses. They have done FAR more harm than good.To children learning social skills for sure but also to adults. Most people are not aware, but the whites of eyes contain the *exact* same substance as the one in nasal lining and in lungs that attracts and binds to covid!! The government knows this but never said a word about it because they now use iris scanning to identify people. Masks are just virtue signaling theater and a sign of obedience. Don't be fooled! Even the government nhs website has a study on n95 masks showing they are ineffective against viruses. Masks are the worst thing to come out of this scamdemic. I kid you not.
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The whites of eyes do not sneeze, cough, talk, shout, sing, or breathe, Deb. The virus is spread by being propelled by those "actions." Our eyes take in light so we can see; they don't expel anything, except maybe you can get Covid by catching someone's tears and deliberately inhaling them!

Masks are "virtue signaling?" I don't know anyone who feels virtuous because they are required to wear a mask in order to enter a store, restaurant, meeting room, classroom, or any other place obviously spreading the virus. Many people hate wearing a mask, but they wear it anyway, not because they are virtuous.

However, I do agree that it's just plain silly to wear a mask when outdoors, and even more so when driving alone in one's car. I've seen plenty of people doing both. I suspect the reason has nothing to do with virtue; they probably just forgot to take it off when they left the building. I've done that a few times myself, and have discovered one "plus" to mask-wearing: it helps to keep your face warm in single-digit freezing weather!
 

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