Obama is going to destroy ivory next, some are valuable antiques !

Happyflowerlady

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I just read this, and am amazed at the weird things that our president comes up with.
Now, he intends to take millions of dollars worth of valuable ivory collector items, antiques, and other beautiful items and smash them (on camera) to proclaim that he is against illegal killing of elephants.
I imagine that most of us would be against the killing of elephants for the tusks, especially when some of them are nearing extinction, but I fail to see how this destruction of ivory that may have been carved 200 years or more ago, is in any way related to stopping the elephant hunters today.


Isn't that kind of like the parents of the early 1950s who told their children to clean up their plates because there were all the starving children in China ? (We all dutifully ate our dinners, but it didn't make any sense to us, even at that early age).


http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1353602/us-ivory-stockpile-be-publicly-destroyed-obamas-order
 

That is not the real reason. This is actually part of Obamacare

Ground up elephant tusk is the most powerful aphrodisiac known to man. The amount of powder it would take to make a ****** sized pill has the power of one thousand pills. This stuff can be processed at 1% of the cost of ******. Can you imagane the saving in health care for millions of older Americans.

Finally a government plan that makes sense.
 

OH, I just totally agree with you, and the others of us , who have spoken out against the terrible killing of animals just to sell their skin or tusks, or other body part, like the rhinos who are becoming extinct because of rhino horn hunters. Here is the you tube video showing just some of the things we have kept in the Denver warehouse for all these years. Many animals are already extinct because of this senseless killing, and others are close to being killed out.
However, just crushing the ivory in a rock crusher, is certainly not going to stop any of the illegal hunters from killing these animals, and it will make the tusks even more valuable. Antique ivory carvings are extremely valuable, and now they are also irreplacable, so keeping the ones in existance, and not killing more elephants make much more sense than destroying a part of cultural history.
A few weeks ago, we had many people not able to work, claiming we could not pay them. Now, we have food stamps for the elderly cut back, so we have even less to live on. But we can just crush up a few million dollars worth of ivory, and throw it in the trash. This makes sense ...how ???

http://youtu.be/9-KC28AEKkg
 
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Friend was telling me how exciting it was seeing the elephants on his trip to Africa. We got to talking about how intelligent they are and I began to wonder if, when the whales who are also very intelligent returned to the sea, they stayed behind. Beautiful creatures.
 
When is this going to take place?
Are you sure that this is what he plans to do?
Is there a reference to him saying it?

The reason I ask is that I'm pretty sure that this would make the papers worldwide, and I haven't heard a whisper.

Ok. I've done some digging and found my own references.

Ivory stockpile to be publicly destroyed as Obama seeks to end illegal trade

TV cameras to record smashing of tusks and intricately carved items – but African elephants are already on brink of extinction


On 14 November, at Barack Obama's instruction, and in front of visiting dignitaries and television cameras, every last intricately carved and high-dollar item will be fed into the jaws of an industrial strength rock-crushing machine and smashed to splinters.
The hope is that this public act of destruction will serve as a turning point. White House officials and conservation groups calculate that demonstrating the president's commitment to breaking up the illegal ivory trade will persuade other governments to take similar measures, and help put the wildlife traffickers on the run.

But it may be too late. Two decades after an international ban on ivory sales, an explosion in wildlife trafficking has once again brought African elephants to the brink of extinction. Nearly 100 African elephants are killed every day for their tusks to feed a huge demand for ivory trinkets from newly wealthy buyers in Asia who see ivory as a status symbol.

US security officials say the global trade in illegal ivory has grown to $10bn (about £6.2bn) a year – just behind drugs and human trafficking. The huge profit potential has also turned ivory into an important line of financing for terrorist networks such as al-Shabaab, the al-Qaida affiliate that carried out September's attack on the Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi.

"This is not the kind of poaching that we have dealt with in the past," said Dan Ashe, the director of the Fish and Wildlife Service, the agency leading the US fight against wildlife trafficking. "It's syndicated and sophisticated criminal organisations that are driving the trade."

The grisly results are visible in the vast storehouse outside Denver – ordinarily off-limits to the public – where six ton of ivory seized by US law enforcement officials over the past 25 years is heaped among stuffed tigers, caiman ashtrays, and other artifacts of the illegal wildlife trade.

The smuggled ivory was seized by US agents at airports and cargo ships, hidden in the false bottoms of suitcases and shipping crates, buried in jars of face cream, or disguised by being stained dark brown with tea. Some of the ivory – the big display case of bracelets – made it as far as a jewellery shop off Times Square in New York city, before it was seized by agents.

"There could be several hundred elephants represented on this pallet alone," said Bernadette Atencio, the supervisor of the US Fish and Wildlife repository.

America is one of the top destinations of illegal ivory from Africa, as well as an important transhipment point for the carved ivory trinkets bound ultimately for the leading markets in China, Japan, Thailand and other Asian countries.

But the six-tonne haul is only half that seized in China this week alone – 3,1888 pieces of elephant tusks were found in Xiamen city, with an estimated value of 603m Yuan ($99m or £62m) on the black market. The sheer volume of trade is depleting populations of African adult male elephants, Atencio said, reaching for a polished tusk, carved with renderings of the "big five" in African game.

"I think the baby tusks are the most heartbreaking," she said. "What I see here are lost generations of elephants, many many generations of elephants that will never be because these elephants were not allowed to mature and to reach an adult size.

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President Mwai Kibaki of Kenya (holding stick) sets ablaze a pile of illegally trafficked elephant tusks at Tsavo West National Park. Photograph: Dai Kurokawa/EPA
By ordering the destruction of the ivory haul in Denver, American officials hope to send a definitive message to traffickers that the bottom is about to fall out of the ivory trade, and that there is no use hanging on to stores of ivory, because it will eventually end up being destroyed.

The strategy has been endorsed by leading conservation groups, such as the World Wildlife Fund, and wildlife officials in Kenya and other states which depend on African elephants for their tourism industries.

"It does send a signal that ivory is not going to be a good investment for very much longer," said Allan Thornton, who heads the Environmental Investigation Agency.
I hope it works. Better to destroy ivory than lose elephants as a species.
 
Warri, If i thought it would even make a difference in the elephant killing towards stopping it, I would be glad; however, all I can see is that it is not going to stop illegal killing for the tusks, and now the price will be even higher since so many of the artifacts are now destroyed.
There is a link to the news article that I read posted in my first post on this topic, and also a short interview on you tube that actually shows the ivory, Siberian Tigers, and other illegal animals/animal products that are in the warehouse in Denver. The video link is in the second post I made.
 
This has been going on for years.
Poachers kill 100 elephants for the ivory. Government seizes it and destroys it. Poachers kill another 100 to replace it. The government just created a never ending circle.
Government legalizes and regulates it. Industry will be regulated to death in a short time.
This stuff is not in the market cycle. Why waste thousands if not millions storing it?
 
Omgoodness Happyflowerlady. What?? Obama destroyed valuable ivory artifacts to protest against the killing of elephant? Seriously? I guess so since you all have posted links of proof but how senseless is that? And violent. If Trump had done that the media worldwide would have had a heyday with it, yet clearly I nor anyone else in this thread was aware of Obama doing that until you all posted these links. I smell a secret cover-up…lol. Bizarre.
 
Personally I applaud President Obama for taking a stand. I don't wear fur. Would I destroy fur coats if I felt it would make a point against the barbaric practice of slaughtering animals for the vanity of people? In a heartbeat. The value of these artificats are not the issue IMHO, the immorality of how they were obtained is. In fact, in this instance, morality "trumps" money.
 
This is an old thread. Many of the people who replied no longer post here. I wonder why?

Did he actually go through with destroying works of art?

Shalimar, I have to disagree with you here. Destroying art won't bring back the dead elephants. I don't condone further killing of elephants or any endangered animal. However, destroying art reminds me of the Taliban who destroyed the Buddha statues. I nearly cried when I saw that.
 
Great article, Sunny ! This article references the first crushing , which did indeed take place in November of 2013, and also talks about another one that they just did this spring.
Obviously, the first destruction of ivory didn't change anything; and so now they are destroying more priceless antiques.
Why don't they just crack down on the illegal elephant hunters, instead of destroying ivory that does <<<nothing>>> to save any elephant from being killed ?

It seems to me that if they sold these valuable carvings to the people who want to collect old ivory, it would be sellinging ivory that no new elephant had to die for, and the money from the sales could be then used to increase security to help stop poachers. So, it would serve two purposes at once, where this seems to serve no purpose.
 
this is a super, old post Lara. I wondered too at first. Then I saw "that guys" stuff and he's been gone, too long:(
 
Since others are posting to this old topic, I will add that I think "show business" is alive and well, even in our capitol. I am wondering when Obama might have his own reality show? Shoot, I don't watch tv so maybe he already does? I'm a democrat and embarrassed at some of his antics. Can we please have a grown up for president? Oh nevermind, probably aren't any.
 
Regarding "Old Topic": I had typed something else in the search box and this thread came up. I knew it was from 2013 but thought it was appropriate to compare Obama's hushed act of violent protest (which did take place…see post 19) to Trump's treatment by the media over trivia…like world coverage regarding his comb-over. Will that hair-thing EVER get old? sheesh. TV time is expensive and our time is precious.

The public deserves to be intelligently informed on serious issues, like destroying artifacts! Is Obama above of our laws regarding peaceful protesting?

Shirley, I too wonder where all the members have gone on this site. Bullied off by 24/7 insults in political threads? I don't know but that can't help.

Are we not allowed to bump an old topic? If so, why is it in the search box? If one feels they have nothing to add then can't they just scroll past it? And who says 2013 is old? Where is the cut off point? It relates to today as I put in my post.

The thread was started by Happyflowerlady and she is still a very active member here. I appreciated that she was bringing this topic to our attention.
 
I have a couple of pieces of contemporary schrimshaw on whale's tooth which I bought in the '80s in Hawaii. There were sold with legal exemption papers to show that they were pre-ban and legal to have.
 
I didn't mean any offense Lara, I just thought you might not know it was old. I think it's well-worth talking about, old or not. I am not into bashing conservatives, especially since I am so conservative about some issues. I should call my self "middle of the road" if there is one. I do not agree with bashing, and if you search some of my posts/replies to such, you'll see I fought as hard as I could, against it, but I didn't get anywhere. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "louder". I respect others opinions, but am against personal attacks, rudeness, and bashing when it comes to disagreeing with someone else's opinion.

I wish I could think of the two guys I heard debating on a radio talkshow, they have, or had a program. I never heard such different opinions discussed with such class (for lack of a better word). These two were excellent at presenting their stuff, without bashing each other, or their individual opinions;) Denise
 
Most of the folks posting have never been there or seen what goes on and only offer there comments. There is no way to police ivory hunters. But the local folks get feed (noun present tense) for a couple of months. If you ask them how (and I have) they think, the say easy for whitey to set in chair and watch TV.
currently in South Africa the entire South African Defence force has been activated to combat poachers.it consists of 24 soldiers, 7 outdated semi auto rifles 2 21/2 ton trucks and 1 non operational Russian Helicopter. There budget is $350 U.S.
Thank Mandala.
 


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