Pfizer knew and lied

Some people have a built in "natural Immunity" to disease that the rest of us don't have (due to genetic differences). Unfortunately the vast majority of us do not have this advantage. As far as I know there is no test to determine this advantage in individuals.
 

Raddragn said:
Some people have a built in "natural Immunity" to disease that the rest of us don't have (due to genetic differences). Unfortunately the vast majority of us do not have this advantage. As far as I know there is no test to determine this advantage in individuals.
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Good point, but natural immunity, or a belief in it, is not an excuse to avoid vaccination, and follow up boosting. This issue is discussed in the following Johns Hopkins piece …

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea.../covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know
 
Raddragn said:
Some people have a built in "natural Immunity" to disease that the rest of us don't have (due to genetic differences). Unfortunately the vast majority of us do not have this advantage. As far as I know there is no test to determine this advantage in individuals.
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Actually I believe all of us have natural immunity to the many viruses and diseases that have afflicted our species for millions of years. We and the diseases coevolve to reduce virulence. The more vulnerable of us die or get too sick to reproduce, and the less virulent strains of the diseases are the ones most likely to be spread. Killing your host isn't a good evolutionary strategy. Result is we are pretty immune to most human diseases.

Its the new ones, like Covid, HIV, and the ever evolving flus and colds that are the problem. And yes some lucky folks do have natural immunity to some of these, but most of us don't.
 

Right now, I am nursing a sinus infection. No vaccine for that. I’ve had it for over a week now and used OTC medications, plus Fluticasone. It’s better after a week, but still drying up very slowly. I wanted to buy that Vicks Sinex. I heard that’s even better, but couldn’t find any on the shelves at the 3 stores I stopped at, so I gave up.
 
Alligatorob said:
That is a good point, and in my experience true, for most people. In the CDC, as with all US government agencies, whistleblowers are well protected, and most employees are honest people. This is, in part, why peer review works so well it makes sure things are reviewed by independent experts, who are mostly honest people with little incentive to lie.

I wouldn't, would you?

And in US government organizations like CDC careers are rarely at stake over things like this. The exception may be some of the senior management, such as political appointees, that is why I said CDC is too politically influenced. That influence effects some of the interpretation and guidance issued, and can sometimes impact which studies get funded. Too much of that in the US government.
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Very easy for a retired person to say they would rather lose their job than lie.
Very different story for an employee with a family to feed.
 
Pepper said:
Didn't we all lie to obtain & keep jobs? My big lie was saying I wanted to work there.
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Good point, there are different kinds of lies, I was thinking of being asked to change a report in a substantial way. I decided to say no and lose the client a few timers. Never said yes

however many times I pretended to like a client or assignment I didn’t…
 
win231 said:
Very easy for a retired person to say they would rather lose their job than lie.
Very different story for an employee with a family to feed.
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Are you saying then, your integrity was less when your family was around you, then somehow you found it later in life?

I worked for a company for two years when I was 28, got promoted after a year, helped redesign our governmental contracts billing department. When it was my turn to be evaluated for a 25cent an hour raise (in 1978 that was substantial), I went into his office. A coworker doing a wonderful job for 20 years was offered a 5 cent raise. Hearing this, I explained why I was resigning effective in two weeks. Any company who shows that much bias, because she wouldn't ask for more, she didn't get more money was not a company I wanted to work for.
At that time I had a 2 yr old and a 5 year old at home, any my husband was laid off for the winter season, being a construction worker.
I had no problem from either my hubby or my kids when our income suffered. It's called integrity......you might have noticed my quote at the bottom of my profile.
 
Right Now said:
Are you saying then, your integrity was less when your family was around you, then somehow you found it later in life?

I worked for a company for two years when I was 28, got promoted after a year, helped redesign our governmental contracts billing department. When it was my turn to be evaluated for a 25cent an hour raise (in 1978 that was substantial), I went into his office. A coworker doing a wonderful job for 20 years was offered a 5 cent raise. Hearing this, I explained why I was resigning effective in two weeks. Any company who shows that much bias, because she wouldn't ask for more, she didn't get more money was not a company I wanted to work for.
At that time I had a 2 yr old and a 5 year old at home, any my husband was laid off for the winter season, being a construction worker.
I had no problem from either my hubby or my kids when our income suffered. It's called integrity......you might have noticed my quote at the bottom of my profile.
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Yes, everyone is an honest angel sent from above.
On a computer screen...... :giggle:
 
Right Now said:
On a computer screen....I am sorry you feel the need to be deliberately mean. I'm sure I would still like you off screen.
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I usually give as I receive. What I received from you was mean. Perhaps it was deliberate; perhaps not:
"Are you saying then, your integrity was less when your family was around you, then somehow you found it later in life?"
 
Ive lost all faith in the medical community because of covid, and it's changed me from what Ive been told. I was a essential worker in a dorm, around hundreds of students, rode the pubic bus and ate in the dorm dining halls throughout the entire so called "pandemic".
I finally got a mild cold after 3 years which passed over a weekend. No idea if it was covid because I refuse to get the mrna shot or get tested because it takes a decade or two to know if a medication is safe and effective and depending on the amount of cycles used, the pcr test can give many false positives.

I don't pay much attention to pod casts made in Joe's basement, but there are many credible people yelling from the rooftops that the shot is more dangerous than the virus itself, let alone the effects of the lock downs and response. The present administration printed 16 trillion dollars for the covid response which has created all this inflation, among other printing and spending. For a vaccine and measures that didn't work? let alone the effect it had on the children who are the least vulnerable who were guilted into getting the shot for grandma?

If you want to research it considering that the mainstream media remains silent, search Idaho house bill 154, Robert Kennedy Jr. who says the shot was a pentagon project, florida surgeon general Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo about the 84% increase in cardiac-related death among males 18-39, the great barrington declaration, Geert Vanden Bossche, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Dr Robert Malone, Dr. McCullough. etc etc.. But a few of the above doctors I mentioned might be trying to get rich from the subject. realnotrare.com

I don't know what to believe anymore because of all the censorship, other than the feeling the response to covid might have been more detrimental socially and economically than the health benefits. What we need a covid 19 response risk benefit analysis that includes socially and economic damage. And if the vaccine is dangerous, we need to charge those responsible so this never happens again. But our government has made big pharma exempt from litigation considering the shot is still under emergency use authorization. Big pharma is trying to include the shot in required school immunizations because the emergency use authorization will end in may.

https://rumble.com/v23x33u-more-vaccines-causes-more-infections.html
 
Mikeolder said:
Ive lost all faith in the medical community because of covid, and it's changed me from what Ive been told. I was a essential worker in a dorm, around hundreds of students, rode the pubic bus and ate in the dorm dining halls throughout the entire so called "pandemic".
I finally got a mild cold after 3 years which passed over a weekend. No idea if it was covid because I refuse to get the mrna shot or get tested because it takes a decade or two to know if a medication is safe and effective and depending on the amount of cycles used, the pcr test can give many false positives.

I don't pay much attention to pod casts made in Joe's basement, but there are many credible people yelling from the rooftops that the shot is more dangerous than the virus itself, let alone the effects of the lock downs and response. The present administration printed 16 trillion dollars for the covid response which has created all this inflation, among other printing and spending. For a vaccine and measures that didn't work? let alone the effect it had on the children who are the least vulnerable who were guilted into getting the shot for grandma?

If you want to research it considering that the mainstream media remains silent, search Idaho house bill 154, Robert Kennedy Jr. who says the shot was a pentagon project, florida surgeon general Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo about the 84% increase in cardiac-related death among males 18-39, the great barrington declaration, Geert Vanden Bossche, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Dr Robert Malone, Dr. McCullough. etc etc.. But a few of the above doctors I mentioned might be trying to get rich from the subject. realnotrare.com

I don't know what to believe anymore because of all the censorship, other than the feeling the response to covid might have been more detrimental socially and economically than the health benefits. What we need a covid 19 response risk benefit analysis that includes socially and economic damage. And if the vaccine is dangerous, we need to charge those responsible so this never happens again. But our government has made big pharma exempt from litigation considering the shot is still under emergency use authorization. Big pharma is trying to include the shot in required school immunizations because the emergency use authorization will end in may.

https://rumble.com/v23x33u-more-vaccines-causes-more-infections.html
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^^^^ Nice to read a post from a thinking person instead of a programmed robot.
 
Alligatorob said:
I agree, however there can be times when one's decisions impact others. That makes it a bit hard to sort out. I mostly side with freedom of individual choice. Better to provide good solid data showing people why they should get vaccinated than to force. I don't think our government did a good job of that with the Covid thing, if they had I believe more would have decided to get vaccinated, not everyone, but more.

We have pretty much accepted the requirement to wear seat belts in cars and helmets on motorcycles, and those are things that mostly protect the wearer. However, no one worries about the long term risks of those things...
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You need a better example. There are no long-term risks with seat belts or helmets.
 
win231 said:
There are no long-term risks with seat belts or helmets.
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And I can find no evidence of any from the Covid vaccine either. Mostly just unfounded speculation.

Now that hundreds of millions have been vaccinated beginning over 2 years ago our confidence in it's safety is growing. There have been some adverse reactions, but those do not appear to have increased the risk of death or long-term health when viewed on a large population basis. The benefits outweigh the risk. To quote the Springfield Missouri Health Department, and similar can be found from many other sources:

Long-Term Side Effects

What side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine are considered normal or expected?
Most people will experience mild short-term side effects, such as pain at the injection site. Vaccines, the COVID-19 vaccine in particular, activate the immune system which then gets to work on creating a blueprint on how to fight and protect the body against infection. While the body is creating this plan, our immune system believes it is fighting an actual virus and this can cause side effects like fever, chills, muscle pain, etc. This is completely normal and may last a day or two.

How do we know the COVID-19 vaccine won't have long-term side effects?
History! Billions of people throughout time have been vaccinated and while extremely rare side effects can happen with any vaccine, nearly all these side effects can also occur more seriously through normal infection of a virus. Records show that side effects, if any, occur within 2 months of vaccination. They do not develop years after they are used. mRNA, which is the technology used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, degrades in the body naturally after a few days, and the spike protein it creates only stays for a couple weeks. If a severe side effect were to occur, like myocarditis, it would be during that time. Only the anti-bodies your body creates to fight the disease are left behind.

Should I be worried about other adverse side effects being reported?
No! As it stands, millions of people have been vaccinated already, and Moderna (18 and older) and Pfizer/BioNTech (16 and older) vaccine have even received full FDA approval. Adverse events can be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), an early warning system designed to provide surveillance of safety concerns related to vaccination. While it’s very useful in finding safety signals and finding hypotheses, it’s a passive surveillance system. This means anyone can report a case here and it’s not verified. In multiple places on the VAERS website you can find warnings like: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” or “The inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality”. VAERS is not comprehensive and certainly not rigorous enough to make sweeping statements about the safety of vaccines.

https://www.springfieldmo.gov/5575/Long-Term-Side-Effects

I have cited several studies showing this in previous posts, won't repeat here.

Do you know of any good data based or peer reviewed studies that suggest otherwise?
 
Alligatorob said:
Do you know of any good data based or peer reviewed studies that suggest otherwise?
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Yes, this one I posted in my comment and video above.. If you question Dr. John Campbell, fine. He's simply stating data from this peer reviewed study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/

"Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated." Or > one in a thousand which is a higher serious adverse events rate than any other vaccine and we're only a couple years away from roll out.

Florida surgeon general Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo is credible.

Why would Idaho suggest a law "TO PROVIDE THAT PROVIDING OR ADMINISTERING AN MRNA VACCINE IS A MISDEMEANOR"? if it was known to be safe?
 
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