Speakin'a the school shooting

Shalimar said:
During my lengthy career, one of the lessons which has repeatedly smacked me across the face is this, human beings are complex, the human mind incredibly so. Two dimensional, one size fits all answers rarely work because of this. Black and white thinking may appear to work in small doses when dealing with some issues, but, overall, it almost invariably fails to deal with the whole problem. Complex problems require complex solutions. We are not Pavlov’s dogs.
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What are you trying to say, that we don't get to blame the shooters' mothers? That's so wrong. This is the U.S., where women are to blame for everything.
 

Shalimar said:
All forms of fanaticism are scary. All too often, labels, particularly pejorative ones, divide people unnecessarily.
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Based on the some of posts in this thread, as well as other threads, I fail to see how people could possibly be MORE divided. Some of the more vitriolic posts have been deleted but the people who posted them do not appear the least bit interested in hearing anyone else's opinions. Sauce for the goose.
 
Traveler said:
Based on the some of posts in this thread, as well as other threads, I fail to see how people could possibly be MORE divided. Some of the more vitriolic posts have been deleted but the people who posted them do not appear the least bit interested in hearing anyone else's opinions. Sauce for the goose.
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Hopefully, the death of seventeen innocents merits better treatment than the possible devolution of this thread into a primate show of dominance. That only serves to exacerbate the problem, while disrespecting the dead.
 

Shalimar said:
Hopefully, the death of seventeen innocents merits better treatment than the possible devolution of this thread into a primate show of dominance. That only serves to exacerbate the problem, while disrespecting the dead.
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Not to mention, we already know some posters' opinions without having to read them. I can relate to Charlie Brown when an adult is talking down to him.

The death of 17 people is the perfect occasion for a pi**ing contest, no?
 
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Secular humanists do not believe in absolute truth. They preach what is called, "consensus truth." They think "truths" to govern society can and should be debated, rationalized and compromised until there is a majority consensus that determines "truth." But this humanistic "truth" is not written in stone. It is fluid and changeable at the whim of the majority. Democracy is perfect for this secular humanist process. Anything... no matter how immoral, degenerate and destructive... can be debated and legalized according to the popular public opinion of the time [which can and is manipulated by masters of propaganda.]

Cultural marxists are also atheists who oppose [sometimes violently as in Bolshevik Russia] true believers in religions that teach absolute truth. The irony with cultural marxism... it too has a litany of core beliefs shared by most other cultural marxists... so it also borders on a religion. Like secular humanists, cultural marxists will preach tolerance and compromise to others as a way to weaken and destroy their enemies.
 
KingsX said:
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Secular humanists do not believe in absolute truth. They preach what is called, "consensus truth." They think "truths" to govern society can and should be debated, rationalized and compromised until there is a majority consensus that determines "truth." But this humanistic "truth" is not written in stone. It is fluid and changeable at the whim of the majority. Democracy is perfect for this secular humanist process. Anything... no matter how immoral, degenerate and destructive... can be debated and legalized according to the popular public opinion of the time [which can and is manipulated by masters of propaganda.]

Cultural marxists are also atheists who oppose [sometimes violently as in Bolshevik Russia] true believers in religions that teach absolute truth. The irony with cultural marxism... it too has a litany of core beliefs shared by most other cultural marxists... so it also borders on a religion. Like secular humanists, cultural marxists will preach tolerance and compromise to others as a way to weaken and destroy their enemies.
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I don’t understand what this has to do with the subject at hand. Do I misunderstand you, or you suggesting that all liberal thinking individuals automatically wish to destroy those who espouse a different viewpoint by pretending to be compassionate and reasonable? That we are fakes and sabateurs? That all of us are atheists? I assure you, that is not the case. I have devoted

myself to serving those who are emotionally broken, because I survived, and every person I can assist brings some justice to those whom as a child I could not save. I support vets, with hugely debilitating CPTSD, and other clients who have been shattered by horrendous experiences. This gives my life purpose and meaning. I am honoured to be of service. Compassion is the public face of my religion,

although I am not an atheist. I serve the Divine Feminine in whatever form it takes. Love and kindness are the benchmarks of my morality. I work with a diverse group of colleagues of all colours and creeds who share the same vision. We are not a threat to society, we nurture it.
 
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In the Bible, during an evil time, there is a verse that says...
"In those days there was no king" [in other words, no absolute]
"so every man did whatever he thought was right."
 
Shalimar said:
I serve the Divine Feminine in whatever form it takes. Love and kindness are the benchmarks of my morality. I work with a diverse group of colleagues of all colours and creeds who share the same vision. We are not a threat to society, we nurture it.
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WOW ! This is the first time I have read that feminists are actually, literally, Gods.

I do NOT say this to you personally but...

I have known, much to my grief, some very angry militant feminists. Of one thing I can assure you, they do not nurture men. They hate men with a purple passion and do everything in their power to destroy men. They will attempt to utterly destroy his self-worth and walk away with no more concern for his feelings than if they had stepped on a cockroach.
 
Traveler said:
WOW ! This is the first time I have read that feminists are actually, literally, Gods.

I do NOT say this to you personally but...

I have known, much to my grief, some very angry militant feminists. Of one thing I can assure you, they do not nurture men. They hate men with a purple passion and do everything in their power to destroy men. They will attempt to utterly destroy his self-worth and walk away with no more concern for his feelings than if they had stepped on a cockroach.
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Excuse me, my post had absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with a feminine aspect of God. I am referring to that aspect which is motherly and nurturing. I grew up in Christian church where God was equally referred to as he or she.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Not to mention, we already know some posters' opinions without having to read them.
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I suspected that some people do not even bother to read some peoples posts, but until now I had no confirmation. So, much for the so-called "inclusion". To the leftist, inclusion means, "Accept him as long as his ideas align with your own".
 
Traveler said:
I suspected that some people do not even bother to read some peoples posts, but until now I had no confirmation. So, much for the so-called "inclusion". To the leftist, inclusion means, "Accept him as long as his ideas align with your own".
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To me, there are no enemies here, merely people expressing disparate views. I am one of those leftists, yet you are not my enemy.
 
Traveler said:
I suspected that some people do not even bother to read some peoples posts, but until now I had no confirmation. So, much for the so-called "inclusion". To the leftist, inclusion means, "Accept him as long as his ideas align with your own".
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Amazing how he put me on Ignore yet has the stones to post this. :eek:
 
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Lawmaker asks Gov. Scott to remove Broward Sheriff Scott Israel after Parkland shooting


" BOCA RATON, Fla. (CBS12)

Rep. Bill Hager (Boca Raton), the chairman of the Florida House of Justice Appropriations, has called on Gov. Rick Scott to remove Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel - a power the governor has under Florida law - from his post for neglect of duty and incompetence in regards to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In his letter to the governor on Saturday, Hager said that various media outlets reported that the School Resource Officer, Scot Peterson, and three deputies under Sheriff Israel's command "were on campus at the time of the attack and chose to take cover themselves rather than stepping up to protect our students."

more at link

http://cbs12.com/news/local/lawmake...-sheriff-scott-israel-after-parkland-shooting
 
Warrigal said:
We have crime. Sydney is a big city.

Not far from where I live in the suburbs a man was recently murdered by a gunman while he was sitting in a café. The police have tracked down the culprit and arrested him. Yesterday a known criminal was assassinated in his car by two masked gunmen. They got away. The murdered man had served time for killing a man at Sydney airport by smashing his head in with a bollard. This was during a fight between two bikie gangs.

Today the news was of a would be jihadist being arrested before he could carry out his plan. Our police and security people do their job well.

We have drug dealers and armed holdups but the criminals mostly go to war with each other. Home invasions are usually targeted. Random home invasions are rare.

My home has very little security. We have no front fence and the side gate leading to the back of the house has no lock. When someone knocks on my front door and I open it there is nothing between me and the person outside except an unlocked screen door.

If I felt threatened I would get a dog, not a gun.
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I wish people would stop comparing places like Australia to the United States of America, apples to oranges in many respects. Here's one article is it a lie?

"Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million.

So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife.

Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire.

Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods.

I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless."

https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2016/06/no-mass-shootings-the-myth-of-australia-gun-control-policy/
 
I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless."
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So far I haven't seen anyone describing what it would take to repeal the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
 
Stormy said:
I wish people would stop comparing places like Australia to the United States of America, apples to oranges in many respects. Here's one article is it a lie?

"Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million.

So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife.

Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire.

Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods.

I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless."

https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2016/06/no-mass-shootings-the-myth-of-australia-gun-control-policy/
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Stormy, I agree that Australia has an advantage by being underpopulated for the area of the land mass. We are also fortunate in that we don't share a land border with any other country which make border control a bit more effective than otherwise.

However, speaking of being statistically manipulative, you cannot simply compare mass shootings in US with total mass murders in Australia and say that is comparing apples with apples. What about adding in non gun related mass murders in US as well.

Also, given that crime statistics are usually presented as a rate (usually per 100,000), it is simply wrong to scale up the rate by multiplying by a number such as 14. That is a mathematical error.

Finally, over what time period are you comparing the two sets of figures? One year, a decade? It makes a big difference if we aren't comparing stats from the same times. Before 1996 our figures were shockingly bad. In colonial times massacres of indigenous groups was common although not always recorded.

Since 1996 things have been a lot better although the rate of domestic violence murders is still a big problem, as is indicated by your post. The Cairns killings were carried out by the mother who was deranged and the Lin killings were by an uncle who was sexually fixated on a niece. We have a lot of work still to do in the field of domestic violence but we are working on it.

I've looked at the link and see that it is for a time period 2011 - 2014. I also note that a couple of Australian mass murders, usually involving arson, have been omitted.

This link is to a complete list going back to 1828 and finishing at January 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

I would very much like to see a similar list for US mass murders by any method to be able to compare the two.
 

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