Speakin'a the school shooting

Before you can enter a museum or any government building in Washington, DC, you have to pass a security inspection of your clothes, anything you are carrying, etc., similar to airport security. I think the schools should start that kind of inspection too, maybe not for the little kids, but for anyone else, including teenagers.
 

Butterfly said:
One thing I have been wondering -- it seems to me that schools should consider locking doors (allowing people to get OUT of the building, but not IN) during school hours and requiring anyone who needed to enter to have some kind of key card or requiring some other kind of school identification or be recognized and invited in by admin. This would be a big hassle, but surely less than the awfulness of having somebody come in off the street and shoot people. I would also advocate for metal detectors in every school at every point of entry. Sad that it has come to this, but surely that would help some.
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I think that's why he waited until the afternoon closer to quit/let out time. School security and staff would probably be more vigilante the first half of the day worried about what students are bringing into school. One of the first eyewitness interviews was that of a recent graduate that was there to visit a teacher. I think people knew getting into the school towards closing was pretty easy.
 
All this concentration on mental illness and parenting as the cause is just window dressing for the stance of keeping the status quo for gun owners who want to keep the real cause sacred. Gun ownership and especially weapons designed for war.
 

Sunny said:
Before you can enter a museum or any government building in Washington, DC, you have to pass a security inspection of your clothes, anything you are carrying, etc., similar to airport security. I think the schools should start that kind of inspection too, maybe not for the little kids, but for anyone else, including teenagers.
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This level of security will be expensive. The cost should not come out of existing education budgets. Taxes will need to be raised or a levy placed on certain industries. Which industries do you think should be in the cross hairs?
 
Camper6 said:
All this concentration on mental illness and parenting as the cause is just window dressing for the stance of keeping the status quo for gun owners who want to keep the real cause sacred. Gun ownership and especially weapons designed for war.
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There will be war if you try to take the guns of law-aiding citizens.
 
Camper6 said:
All this concentration on mental illness and parenting as the cause is just window dressing for the stance of keeping the status quo for gun owners who want to keep the real cause sacred. Gun ownership and especially weapons designed for war.
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There will be war if you try to take the guns of law-aiding citizens.



Warrigal said:
This level of security will be expensive. The cost should not come out of existing education budgets. Taxes will need to be raised or a levy placed on certain industries. Which industries do you think should be in the cross hairs?
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Another war in the making.
 
Warrigal said:
This level of security will be expensive. The cost should not come out of existing education budgets. Taxes will need to be raised or a levy placed on certain industries. Which industries do you think should be in the cross hairs?
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Funerals for children are expensive, too. And any attempt to remove guns from the possession of law abiding citizens would be expensive as well.
 
KingsX said:
There will be war if you try to take the guns of law-aiding citizens.
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Ask the survivors of the latest school shootings and their parents.

Check to see what these students have to say. They say enough talk. We are going to do something about it.

Taking all the guns of law abiding citizens is not the issue here. The weapon of choice is the issue.
 
Camper6 said:
Taking all the guns of law abiding citizens is not the issue here. The weapon of choice is the issue.
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You are of a different mindset. But many others like me know if there is another revolution or civil war,
it will be when the state tries to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. Because once that happens,
the last chance to stop an intrusive, draconian, oppressive, totalitarian government has come and gone.
 
Good for them! They deserve better than what they feel is being done to protect them, which is nothing but lip service right now. They need to have the freedom to sit in a classroom and learn, not have a monkey on their backs, being in fear for their safety, their lives. I sure hope their message gets heard and understood. God bless our youth.
 
TonyK said:
On April 20, 2018 high school students in the US are planning on boycotting school on the anniversary of the Columbine school massacre. They won't return until laws are enacted to protect them in their classrooms. Kudos to them.
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That's brilliant. I hope it's widespread and they're able to accomplish something.

Metal detectors and improved security at schools would be a good start.

Better trained FBI agents would help. The killer at the Aztec high school in New Mexico was interviewed by the FBI shortly before his rampage. The FBI looked at this Parkland killer and determined he wasn't interesting enough to investigate.
 
KingsX said:
You are of a different mindset. But many others like me know if there is another revolution or civil war,
it will be when the state tries to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. Because once that happens,
the last chance to stop an intrusive, draconian, oppressive, totalitarian government has come and gone.
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Thats a reason? You are going to take on the armed forces and the National Guard?

Who is going to lead this revolution and organize homeowners with their weapons.

You are talking about third world countries not a democracy with a constitution.

Have you ever heard of treason? It's in the Constitution.
 
Camper6 said:
Thats a reason? You are going to take on the armed forces and the National Guard?

Who is going to lead this revolution and organize homeowners with their weapons.

You are talking about third world countries not a democracy with a constitution.

Have you ever heard of treason? It's in the Constitution.
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Speaking of the Constitution... Thomas Jefferson said this:

" God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion."

" What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? "

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "

more at link

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/105.html

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-12-02-0348

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl64.php
 
I grew up with TV and movies neither of which contained the extreme violence and graphic horror killing in todays' film and TV. Add to that the sick violent videos and games kids stare at for 12+ hours per day. School shootings are done by kids unlike the Vegas country music slaughter. I went to a highschool from 1962 to 1966 and never heard a whisper of a gun or knife and the school was in a pretty rough area. We had fights after school occasionally but fists only. Our kids are going to doctors who medicate them in to zombies before they are teenagers. Look at the murder rates amongst gangs at times the body count per week is greater than current wars. Only a fool would believe taking assault style rifles away is the answer. I am all for much more stringent background checks but how many Americans own this weapons versus how many go out to kill people with them? More people are buying weapons than ever before in our history. Our society is crumbling brick by brick and no leader exists that is willing to try to fix it.
 
Warrigal said:
Whose side was Jefferson on, the rebels or the tyrants?

I ask because students in Florida are calling for change or rebellion.
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As he says himself, Jefferson was on the side of the people to rebel with force if necessary to keep an out of control government in line.

The civil war was the last time this happened. Unfortunately, the result of that rebellion was an even more draconian American empire.

We are long past due for this to happen again.
 
Please explain to me how the US government was out of control before the outbreak of the first American Civil War.
I know the war was not about slavery to begin with. What was it about? What caused the rebellion initially?

I am puzzled by your reference to an American Empire. As someone living in a country that was once part of the British Empire I cannot easily equate US overseas territories with The British Raj.
 
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