SifuPhil
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20% of all U.S. Presidents have been members of the NRA. I would hardly call them "naive" or "not-too-intelligent".
"Angry", maybe a few of them ...
Speakin'a the school shooting
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20% of all U.S. Presidents have been members of the NRA. I would hardly call them "naive" or "not-too-intelligent".
"Angry", maybe a few of them ...
rgp
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Sunny said....
"And who exactly is the "anti-gun lobby," rpg?
They are exactly that....those that protest against guns / lobby for more strict gun laws.
"The vast majority of U.S. citizens?"
You say majority?..I disagree. I say the 'silent majority' are the gun owners.
You say..."I have never heard this ridiculous term used before."
Ridiculous term ?...I think not.... hear it all the time.
You say...."but an anti gun lobby? That refers to nearly everyone!"
That is a false statement that has no merit.
Keep in mind, one of the cities / states that have some of the most strict gun laws in the nation are Chicago , Illinois.. have you looked at the gun death rate there lately ? One of the highest [if not THE highest] in the country.
"And who exactly is the "anti-gun lobby," rpg?
They are exactly that....those that protest against guns / lobby for more strict gun laws.
"The vast majority of U.S. citizens?"
You say majority?..I disagree. I say the 'silent majority' are the gun owners.
You say..."I have never heard this ridiculous term used before."
Ridiculous term ?...I think not.... hear it all the time.
You say...."but an anti gun lobby? That refers to nearly everyone!"
That is a false statement that has no merit.
Keep in mind, one of the cities / states that have some of the most strict gun laws in the nation are Chicago , Illinois.. have you looked at the gun death rate there lately ? One of the highest [if not THE highest] in the country.
rgp
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Ruby Ridge ?.......
Traveler
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The thin end of the wedge, like so many other tactics of the wacko leftist, is just the starting point. Once that thin end of the wedge is started, they will absolutely keep hammering away until they have totally destroyed any aspect of the culture that THEY deem to be undesirable .
The wacko leftists , aka cultural Marxists, are suffering under the delusion that THEY, and THEY alone, are somehow gifted with a superior morality AND that they have an absolute right to dictate what is, and is not, politically correct. God forbid that anyone dare to open his/her mouth to challenge anything the cultural Marxists believe in.
Anti-gun lobby is nearly everyone ? Well, perhaps that is true within certain circles of wacko leftists, but the rest of the country happens to believe in the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ie The 2nd Amendment.
Traveler
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As mentioned above, two of the most notorious examples of extreme leftist action, Ruby Ridge and Mt. Carmel (Waco, Texas), the minions of the Clinton administration, not only confiscated guns in private homes but cold bloodedly murdered 80+ people in the process. I suggest that you do your own research. Pay particular attention to how the ATF thugs (at Ruby Ridge) shot and killed an unarmed woman who was standing on her porch with a baby in her arms. The murderous rifle shot, passed through the baby and then the mother. There Sunny, are but 2 examples of guns being confiscated, without any crime having been committed.
Traveler
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Right-wing scare tactics ? This is exactly what we are afraid of. And i might add the government knew full well that there were no guns in the house. Take a look at the terror on elian gonzalez's face. This raid was ordered by Janet Reno, Head of the Justice Dept (Clinton Admin) in order to hand the child back into the hands of a communist country (Cuba).
Warrigal
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I think Olivia makes a valid point. Terms like "wacko leftist" and "cultural Marxist", thrown out as barbs against other posters does seem to be extremely political and invite response.
I am now reviewing my posts to see whether I have been guilty of similar posts.
I used the term, "cultural marxist", after being labeled a "right-winger."
I also gave an historic example of cultural marxism, the social agenda
of the Marxist Bolsheviks after they took over Russia. In today's USA,
many liberals promote a similar "cultural marxist" social agenda.
Warrigal
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Correct, KingsX, but the tone has gone south in recent posts.
I have now learned what the term means and that it has become a pejorative label used by one side of politics against the other side. It has become inflammatory but not as much as the words "wacko leftists". Since the mods have asked us to refrain from politics, I think a step backwards is a good idea.
I have now learned what the term means and that it has become a pejorative label used by one side of politics against the other side. It has become inflammatory but not as much as the words "wacko leftists". Since the mods have asked us to refrain from politics, I think a step backwards is a good idea.
Traveler
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I think I should point out that I did not make any negative comments about any other members. All I did was point out that, in America, there are Leftist wackos and cultural Marxists who are working over-time to force their agendas on everyone else.
And I did respond to the following: "I haven't heard of any government plots to break into law-abiding peoples home's and remove their guns. That's complete NRA paranoia, which works with their naïve, angry and not-to-intelligent followers. There is no truth to it, it's just another right-wing scare tactic".
Such a statement requires a response. I'm sure Sunny did not mean anyone on this site, just as I did not mean anyone on this site.
Warrigal
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Still, I think we are on a slippery slope here. I'm backing away.
What on earth does Elien Gonzalez have to do with this discussion? I thought we were talking about government agents breaking into people's homes to confiscate their legally acquired guns, or some other scare story from the far right? And the best you can come up with is Elien Gonzales in 2000?
Speaking of which, here's what Wikipedia has to say about him.* It sounds to me like justice was done in this unfortunate story, as the child was returned to his father. Isn't that more important to a 5-year-old than what political system is in power in that country? He wasn't returned to Fidel Castro, he was returned to his own home and immediate family.
* In 2015, González was studying to be an industrial engineer, and hoped to marry his high school sweetheart and fiancée, Ilianet Escaño, after finishing college. He stated that although
he did not regret returning to Cuba, he would like to travel to the United States one day "to give my love to the American people".
Speaking of which, here's what Wikipedia has to say about him.* It sounds to me like justice was done in this unfortunate story, as the child was returned to his father. Isn't that more important to a 5-year-old than what political system is in power in that country? He wasn't returned to Fidel Castro, he was returned to his own home and immediate family.
* In 2015, González was studying to be an industrial engineer, and hoped to marry his high school sweetheart and fiancée, Ilianet Escaño, after finishing college. He stated that although
he did not regret returning to Cuba, he would like to travel to the United States one day "to give my love to the American people".
Traveler
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A step back may be in order, as you suggested. I would point out, however, that you did refer to a "WILD WEST MENTALITY". That also is inflammatory, particularly in light of the fact that you live half a world away and you don't live with the kind of problems faced every day by many Americans.
Have a nice day.
Traveler
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The Elian Gonzales story is but one example of government agents breaking into totally innocent peoples homes. We have been talking about guns and some people's desire to usurp the United States Constitution. If you had taken the time to read my 2 previous posts you would have noticed that I directly addressed the issue of government agents breaking into peoples homes to take their guns away, AND in the process murder 80+ innocent people.
You and several others have made direct reference to "THE FAR RIGHT". There can be no denying that the 2 events I mentioned actually happened. When such things happen in America, the people SHOULD BE SCARED. It is hardly paranoia to take note and to remember just how far a leftist government is willing to go in the furtherance of their agenda,
SifuPhil
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A step back may be in order, as you suggested. I would point out, however, that you did refer to a "WILD WEST MENTALITY". That also is inflammatory, particularly in light of the fact that you live half a world away and you don't live with the kind of problems faced every day by many Americans.
Have a nice day.
Have to stick the needle in one final time, huh?
Traveler
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A step back may be in order, as you suggested. I would point out, however, that you did refer to a "WILD WEST MENTALITY". That also is inflammatory, particularly in light of the fact that you live half a world away and you don't live with the kind of problems faced every day by many Americans.
Have a nice day.
Did I say anything untrue ? Sometimes , Phil, the truth can be a real BIT*H !
Shalimar
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Seventeen children have died, fighting amongst each other would seem to be a poor way to honour them. Rest In Peace, pauvre petits.
Traveler
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Let me be clear about one thing. I do not support the selling or owning of assault rifles. I am not a member of the NRA, nor do I support them. And I do not own any guns. However...
It seems to me that since any 18 year old can buy such a weapon, only a very few actually buy them, and even fewer commit these horrible crimes against their fellow students. Therefore, I am convinced that the reason for school shootings MUST lie else where.
In my opinion we must ask our selves one question. Why are these young men so angry ?
It seems to me that since any 18 year old can buy such a weapon, only a very few actually buy them, and even fewer commit these horrible crimes against their fellow students. Therefore, I am convinced that the reason for school shootings MUST lie else where.
In my opinion we must ask our selves one question. Why are these young men so angry ?
Young men and their anger have been well-known down through the centuries. (Just see a performance of Les Miz, although some might say that in that case their anger was justified!) The problem is allowing absolutely everybody access to guns. A two-year-old having a tantrum is also angry. Should we make assault rifles available to them?
Of course, there is a difference between a Les Miz type of political rebellion and a random shooter killing everyone within range, without rhyme or reason.
Today's newspaper has another frightening story, this time near here. A student at Clarksburg High School in suburban Maryland has twice brought a loaded gun to school. He had a list of grievances against
fellow students. Thank God someone was tipped off in time to prevent tragedy. The strange thing is that this was not a "troubled teenager" from a broken home, or someone who had ever been in trouble. He
is an honor student, American-born, Chinese parents, no past history of problems. The guns belonged to someone living in his home, the article didn't say who.
So much for all the facile explanations involving single-parent homes and mental illness. The problem, as usual, was guns. And I'm afraid that even if all guns were banned tomorrow, it would be too late. It's locking
the barn door after the horse is gone.
Of course, there is a difference between a Les Miz type of political rebellion and a random shooter killing everyone within range, without rhyme or reason.
Today's newspaper has another frightening story, this time near here. A student at Clarksburg High School in suburban Maryland has twice brought a loaded gun to school. He had a list of grievances against
fellow students. Thank God someone was tipped off in time to prevent tragedy. The strange thing is that this was not a "troubled teenager" from a broken home, or someone who had ever been in trouble. He
is an honor student, American-born, Chinese parents, no past history of problems. The guns belonged to someone living in his home, the article didn't say who.
So much for all the facile explanations involving single-parent homes and mental illness. The problem, as usual, was guns. And I'm afraid that even if all guns were banned tomorrow, it would be too late. It's locking
the barn door after the horse is gone.
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You may have overlooked something in his story that was important. "American-born of Chinese parents."
He was estranged from his racial roots, At the same time, he might have been under parental pressure
to excel in their adopted culture [lots of pressure put on immigrant children to excel, especially Asians.]
Guns are not the problem. Failure to address the underlying social issues is the problem that will not go away.
Many people have killed entire families and scores of strangers using other types of weapons.
Camper6
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When all is said and done you cannot ignore the proximate cause of suicides which the easy availability of a gun.
Traveler
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Two year olds having a 10 minute temper tantrum? What has that to do with angry teenagers ? Absolutely nothing ! The point I have been making all along is that when an adolescent withdraws from society, and from the family, and when that adolescent is not properly supervised, big trouble is on the horizon. Some people may deny this simple truth, but, until we, as a society, begin to understand the main cause of why an adolescent picks up that gun and kills, then society is doomed to endure continued school shootings.
Without rhyme or reason ? What is he ? A robot ? Of course there is a reason. That reason is anger. The anger, the emotion, MUST precede the act. No-one commits a violent action without a reason. The reason may not be rational, but the thought ALWAYS precedes the act.
He had a list of grievances against fellow students. Sounds pretty angry to me.
Millions of homes , across America, have guns. Millions of those homes that have guns, also have teenagers . A happy, healthy, well supervised teenager does not pickup a gun and start to kill.