Speakin'a the school shooting

I can't mention what groups I'm talking about because that would be political, but suffice to say it would threaten their cherished ideologies.
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Ah yes, "cherished ideologies," such as cherishing the right to live over the right to own guns.

E.J. Dionne Jr. has a brilliant article in today's Washington Post. Read it, Traveler. Your nitpicking over precisely what type of weapon a particular gun is sounds like a frantic attempt
to divert attention from the horrifying turn of events in this country, and the heroic reaction of those young people who are telling us they've had enough. As Dionne says, "No wonder the foes of gun sanity are worried."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...76b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.8f73ef864561
 

AZ Jim said:
Remember America when we went to an airplane without being searched, had no weapons check at schools, courtrooms etc.? There were no school shootings, no airplane bombings. Where did it all go wrong? We are self destructing.
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The self-destructing began to happen incrementally after WW2... and went into high gear after 9-11.
 
BobF said:
If that gun seller was following the Federal Gun laws then the rifle was a non military weapon that was able to fire only as a SEMI AUTOMATIC weapon. This needs to be known by all. Let us put an end to the confusion of the weapons abilities by calling it a war weapon. Military weapons these days are FULLY AUTOMATIC. The SEMI AUTOMATIC system was over 100 years old, M1 and WWII days. No problems with the weapons of the past. Blame the problem on the operators, not the guns themselves.
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Your post is correct I would add that the walls of guns stores are lined with weapons that look like military weapons to lure the google eyed customers. When have you watched a movie where the shooters are holding anything other than the military styles. It is marketing. Me, I don't wish to be hit my an M1 rifle or a 30-06 Winchester. The nuts are nuts because they're nuts.
 
I'm not a gun owner but I have fired .38s, .45s, 12- and 20-gauge shotguns, 30-06s, even a Thompson submachine gun once.

What I don't understand is, especially in regard to these school shootings -what is the difference between a semi-and full-auto?

Sure, you can spray-and-pray with an auto, but you can also rack up a formidable body count with a semi-automatic. The dead will still be dead.

I think the dialogue needs to leave the semi-auto area and get into guns in general. A .38 with a speed loader is still a very lethal weapon, but I haven't heard much talk about restricting those.
 
Yes, it has been pointed out many times by now (but some are slow to get the point) that the gun lobby's concern for the right to life extends only to the lives of those not yet born. After that, the guns get all the devotion; the lives of the victims, not so much.
 
AZ Jim said:
Remember America when we went to an airplane without being searched, had no weapons check at schools, courtrooms etc.? There were no school shootings, no airplane bombings. Where did it all go wrong? We are self destructing.
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I agree. When we turn every aspect of our culture on it's ear, the result is bound to have a profoundly negative impact. Pandora's box has not just been opened, it's been destroyed.
 
Sunny said:
Yes, it has been pointed out many times by now (but some are slow to get the point) that the gun lobby's concern for the right to life extends only to the lives of those not yet born. After that, the guns get all the devotion; the lives of the victims, not so much.
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First of all, I am not a member of a "gun lobby."

Second... I care about all innocent life... so much so, that I support capital punishment for ALL convicted murderers.
 
Sunny said:
Yes, it has been pointed out many times by now (but some are slow to get the point) that the gun lobby's concern for the right to life extends only to the lives of those not yet born. After that, the guns get all the devotion; the lives of the victims, not so much.
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And others are slow to get the point that society has gone to hell in a handbasket. Change how children are raised and supervised, and the school shootings will stop.
 
Security issues add to confluence and combination of events

School security video on a 20 minute delay. Took first responders a while to realize that. Said the delayed slowed the apprehension of killer but not getting to victims.

http://www.wktv.com/content/national/474850633.html

School resource officer purposely stayed outside for 4-6 minutes chosing not to engage the shooter. He has since resigned.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sherif...went-in-to-building-in-florida-mass-shooting/

In this case in particular since the killer wanted to get away. I think just confronting him would've halted the attack. Regardless he should've at least pursued or confronted the killer.
 
I feel for that deputy. He was outside the school and heard shooting but did he have any idea where the shooter was, or how many there were? I'm not sure what a deputy is or what training they have so I will not judge him.
 
This brought tears to my eyes. It should be converted to a large oil painting and preserved forever in a Washington art gallery.

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First of all, I am not a member of a "gun lobby."

Second... I care about all innocent life... so much so, that I support capital punishment for ALL convicted murderers.
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First: Why so defensive, KingsX? Where did anyone say that YOU are a member of the gun lobby? My note referred to a recognizable group of people, I was not referring to you. Although you are certainly promoting their ideas on this bb.

Second: Innocent life, eh? So, how about all those people who were incarcerated on death row in your state until DNA testing proved them to be innocent, and they were let go. Yet, they were "convicted murderers." Where does your concern for innocent life fit in for them?

Oh, it doesn't, as they were born already.
 
Warrigal said:
I feel for that deputy. He was outside the school and heard shooting but did he have any idea where the shooter was, or how many there were? I'm not sure what a deputy is or what training they have so I will not judge him.
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One of the primary strategies or lines of thinking is engage the shooter as soon as possible which is a lesson from Columbine. If he worked for the Sherrif's Dept or county and was armed he can't picture him not getting active shooter training even if a class.
 
Sunny said:
KingsX? Where did anyone say that YOU are a member of the gun lobby? My note referred to a recognizable group of people, I was not referring to you. Although you are certainly promoting their ideas on this bb.
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I could use the term, anti-gun lobbyists... but their destructive social agenda goes far beyond banning guns.
So I prefer to use the more appropriate term, "cultural marxists." Vladimir Putin is right about one thing...
Communists did indeed win WW2... and now cultural marxists are poised to win the culture war.
 
KingsX said:
I could use the term, anti-gun lobbyists... but their destructive social agenda goes far beyond banning guns.
So I prefer to use the more appropriate term, "cultural marxists." Vladimir Putin is right about one thing...
Communists did indeed win WW2... and now cultural marxists are poised to win the culture war.
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Boy, that sure is the truth. Between the news media, Hollywood, the music industry, the ultra-violent electronic games industry, the readily available violence and porn on the internet, all controlled by cultural Marxists and little to no proper parental supervision, it's a miracle that ANY kid is normal.
 
SifuPhil said:
I'm not a gun owner but I have fired .38s, .45s, 12- and 20-gauge shotguns, 30-06s, even a Thompson submachine gun once.

What I don't understand is, especially in regard to these school shootings -what is the difference between a semi-and full-auto?

Sure, you can spray-and-pray with an auto, but you can also rack up a formidable body count with a semi-automatic. The dead will still be dead.

I think the dialogue needs to leave the semi-auto area and get into guns in general. A .38 with a speed loader is still a very lethal weapon, but I haven't heard much talk about restricting those.
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A FULL AUTOMATIC rifle will clear itself of old shells, replace a fresh shell in the chamber and fire the bullet. This will repeat as long as the trigger is held back. It is illegal for the gun shops to sell this type of weapon. It is also the way military guns do operate.

A SEMI AUTOMATIC weapon requires the shooter to repeat the trigger pull for each and every shot. All other operations, clearing the chamber and positioning the new bullet will take place but no shots fired till the weapon owner pulls the trigger once again. No repeating of shots if the trigger is not pulled again. This is the legal way for gun shops to sell guns.

It is not the problem of guns as it will sit on the shelf for months and do nothing. It is the strange minded people that decide to kill with a gun. We as a people need to defend ourselves and our children by being ready to kill the potential, or active, killers. For what ever reason it is now the schools that have become the targets. It was airplanes till we started to fight back. It was in random locations like parades or theaters, but most recently is has been in schools. We need to make sure the possible killers know that attacking a school means death to them, during or after killings end.

It comes down to punishing the killers on the job or as soon as possible afterwards. There is no reason for not punishing these random killers.
 
BobF said:
A FULL AUTOMATIC rifle will clear itself of old shells, replace a fresh shell in the chamber and fire the bullet. This will repeat as long as the trigger is held back. It is illegal for the gun shops to sell this type of weapon. It is also the way military guns do operate.

A SEMI AUTOMATIC weapon requires the shooter to repeat the trigger pull for each and every shot. All other operations, clearing the chamber and positioning the new bullet will take place but no shots fired till the weapon owner pulls the trigger once again. No repeating of shots if the trigger is not pulled again. This is the legal way for gun shops to sell guns.

It is not the problem of guns as it will sit on the shelf for months and do nothing. It is the strange minded people that decide to kill with a gun. We as a people need to defend ourselves and our children by being ready to kill the potential, or active, killers. For what ever reason it is now the schools that have become the targets. It was airplanes till we started to fight back. It was in random locations like parades or theaters, but most recently is has been in schools. We need to make sure the possible killers know that attacking a school means death to them, during or after killings end.

It comes down to punishing the killers on the job or as soon as possible afterwards. There is no reason for not punishing these random killers.
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I will ask you a question Bob. If you cross the border into Canada you have to leave your weapons behind.

Would you feel safe in Canada?
 
KingsX said:
I could use the term, anti-gun lobbyists... but their destructive social agenda goes far beyond banning guns.
So I prefer to use the more appropriate term, "cultural marxists." Vladimir Putin is right about one thing...
Communists did indeed win WW2... and now cultural marxists are poised to win the culture war.
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Hmmm. By your definition, we Canucks are cultural Marxists, millions of Canadians would take exception to that.
 
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