Speakin'a the school shooting

Millions of kids have anger problems.

They don't kill anyone else.

The problem is the easy access to a gun.


Millions of people own guns and don't commit crimes.

It's the person who commits the crime, not the gun.

Ban all guns and criminals will still have illegal guns to use against a defenseless law-abiding citizenry.

Criminals also use many other types of weapons to commit crimes.
 

How do any of us know he was NOT a troubled teenager?
How do we know he was NOT mentally ill?

None of us know anything valuable about this boy. If he meant to perform a mass murder, it's a pretty good bet he IS mentally ill.
 
Millions of people own guns and don't commit crimes.

It's the person who commits the crime, not the gun.

Ban all guns and criminals will still have illegal guns to use against a defenseless law-abiding citizenry.

Criminals also use many other types of weapons to commit crimes.

Yes we know. But just check out the last three mass murders and what was used.

Without the gun the crime is vacant.

Take the keys away from a drunk and he can't drive.

Theres no objection from me to have a handgun but why a weapon of war?

This is getting political now and I can sense where it is heading so I am bowing out.
 
Radish, if you're referring to the boy in Clarksburg, no one has (yet) said he intended to commit mass murder. "All" he did was bring a loaded gun to school, the article said nothing about his intention to use it. But it was a stupid enough thing to do, especially right now, to get him arrested.

The article did furnish enough about his family and his home life to contradict many of the gun-lovers' assertions about what's wrong in the case of mass murderers. He certainly doesn't fit the usual pattern.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/...rning-signs-student-would-be-armed-in-school/.
 
Instead of focussing on the actual weapon, let us look more deeply into the mind of the killers. We seldom hear too much about them and since most end up dying with their victims the chance to examine them closely often dies with them. The Parkland shooter is still alive, as is the Port Arthur killer, Martin Bryant. Martin Bryant was assessed before and after the shooting and in the end he was not considered to be mentally ill but there were problems evident from an early age. He was judged fit to stand trial and is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in Hobart's Risdon Prison.

Martin Bryant was born on 7 May 1967 at the Queen Alexandria Hospital in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia[SUP].[/SUP] In a 2011 interview, his mother recalls that she would often find his toys broken at a very young age, and said he was an "annoying" and "different" child. A psychologist's view was that he would never hold down a job as he would aggravate people to such an extent that he would always be in trouble.

Other cases that locals can recall include that he had pulled the snorkel from another boy while diving and had once cut down trees on a neighbour's property. He was described by teachers as being distant from reality and unemotional. At school he was a disruptive and sometimes violent child who suffered severe bullying by other children.

After he was suspended from New Town Primary School in 1977, psychological assessments of Bryant noted his torturing of animals. He returned to school the following year with improved behaviour; however, he persisted in teasing younger children. He was transferred to a special education unit at New Town High School in 1980 where he deteriorated both academically and in behaviour throughout his remaining school years.
[h=3]Psychological and psychiatric assessments[/h]Descriptions of Bryant's behaviour as an adolescent show that he continued to be disturbed and outlined the possibility of an intellectual disability. He was revealed to be borderline mentally disabled, with an I.Q. of 66, equivalent to an 11-year-old. Further testing following his arrest indicated a verbal I.Q. of 64 and non-verbal reasoning and cognitive functioning of 68, giving a full scale I.Q. of 66, an age equivalent of 11 years in the 10th percentile (90% of 11-year-olds would score higher).

On leaving school Bryant was assessed for a disability pension by a psychiatrist who wrote: "Cannot read or write. Does a bit of gardening and watches TV... Only his parents' efforts prevent further deterioration. Could be schizophrenic and parents face a bleak future with him." Bryant received a disability pension, though he also worked as a handyman and gardener.

While awaiting trial, Bryant was examined by court-appointed psychiatrist Ian Sale, who was of the opinion that Bryant "could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as autism". Psychiatrist Paul Mullen, hired at the request of Bryant's legal counsel, found that Bryant was socially and intellectually impaired. Furthermore, found that he did not display signs of schizophrenia or a mood disorder.

Mullen concluded "Though Mr. Bryant was clearly a distressed and disturbed young man, he was not mentally ill."

There is a lot more about his odd behaviour here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

On the day of the massacre he had a Colt AR-15 SP1 Carbine (semi-automatic rifle) but when the police searched his home they found an arsenal of weapons. He had inherited quite a lot of money from a family friend.
 
Theres no objection from me to have a handgun but why a weapon of war?


The US constitution was created by patriot founders who had just conducted
and won a revolution against government tyranny.

The second amendment giving the people the right to keep and bear arms
protects the people's ability to defend themselves from all enemies, including
oppressive government.

Thomas Jefferson said:

" God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion."

" What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? "

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-12-02-0348


In the 1836 Texas Declaration of Independence, Texans list many oppressions
imposed by the Mexican government against Texas citizens.

Here is one of them:

"It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence,
the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."


https://www.tsl.texas.gov/treasures/republic/declaration.html

The first battle of the Texas revolution against Mexico began when the Mexican
government tired to confiscate a "weapon of war" [a cannon] from Anglo Texans.

http://www.comeandtakeit.com/txhist.html
 
These young people will vote soon. It is blatantly obvious the scum in Washington are bought and paid for. If it did not happen after Sandy Hook it will never happen. This is merely proof the power is in the money chest not in the will of the people. A line from the song "Blowin' In The Wind", "how long will it take before we know too many people have died". Is it sane to suggest teachers arm themselves? If they do then we can stop all the talk about military style assault weapons? Would you face a nut with an AR15 with a hand gun? I have used my handgun in defense of myself against a violent home invasion but did not have to fire. Trust me I did not need an assault rifle to convince my invader to stop in his tracks
 
Radish, if you're referring to the boy in Clarksburg, no one has (yet) said he intended to commit mass murder. "All" he did was bring a loaded gun to school, the article said nothing about his intention to use it. But it was a stupid enough thing to do, especially right now, to get him arrested.

The article did furnish enough about his family and his home life to contradict many of the gun-lovers' assertions about what's wrong in the case of mass murderers. He certainly doesn't fit the usual pattern.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/...rning-signs-student-would-be-armed-in-school/.

Yep, per the article and those that spoke about him I couldn't see any danger signals either. (other than bringing a loaded gun to school)

Maybe he just decided to break the law and face multiple charges, including possession of a firearm by a person under 21 and possession of a firearm on school property. For no reason. A prank. Right after a mass murder.

A gun is used for killing, so why would he bring it?

Outsiders don't usually have all the facts. I just can't help but feel there's more to his story. Let's just hope he used poor judgement in thinking he was being funny?

Seriously Sunny, why do you think he brought a loaded gun to school? Thanks for your input.
 
This is terrible. The school is being taunted, like a cat prior to killing the mouse. Disgusting. I pray the police get to this person quickly!


Ironic that government schools are defenseless "gun-free zones"
and armed shooters are like bullies who target someone weaker.

If school authorities had guns to defend themselves the threats
and shootings would stop.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWYLeZZWAAA_GI_.jpg
 
Nor me and in the decades of my teaching career I never heard of one in Australia, and none in the 20 years since I retired.
I wonder why?

Yesterday while I was at our church helping out at the play group I looked at the front door and realised that we have absolutely no security to protect us. We have a fence designed to keep the little children from running out onto the road and the gates are as secure as those around a home swimming pool. They are never locked. The front door was wide open and the doors have safety glass, not bullet proof glass.

Am I worried? Not a bit. I suppose a nutter could come in and shoot us all but it would be a first.
 
If that gun seller was following the Federal Gun laws then the rifle was a non military weapon that was able to fire only as a SEMI AUTOMATIC weapon. This needs to be known by all. Let us put an end to the confusion of the weapons abilities by calling it a war weapon. Military weapons these days are FULLY AUTOMATIC. The SEMI AUTOMATIC system was over 100 years old, M1 and WWII days. No problems with the weapons of the past. Blame the problem on the operators, not the guns themselves.
 
Outsiders don't usually have all the facts. I just can't help but feel there's more to his story. Let's just hope he used poor judgement in thinking he was being funny?

Seriously Sunny, why do
you
think he brought a loaded gun to school? Thanks for your input.

Obviously, I have no idea why. The media so far have not provided enough information to allow us to reach any conclusions.

I think we can see that there is something clearly wrong with this kid. And why were the guns so accessible to him? There is probably plenty of blame to go around, starting with the proliferation of guns.

It will be interesting to see what comes to light as this story develops.
 
If that gun seller was following the Federal Gun laws then the rifle was a non military weapon that was able to fire only as a SEMI AUTOMATIC weapon. This needs to be known by all. Let us put an end to the confusion of the weapons abilities by calling it a war weapon. Military weapons these days are FULLY AUTOMATIC. The SEMI AUTOMATIC system was over 100 years old, M1 and WWII days. No problems with the weapons of the past. Blame the problem on the operators, not the guns themselves.


Exactly correct. Most people who advocate banning the AR-15 don't have the first clue that that rifle is NOT a military weapon. In any event, even if the AR-15 was banned, there are dozens of other types of weapons capable doing just as much damage. Even a quick look at all of the school shootings will reveal that most of the killers used pistols.

Unfortunately, there are some people who don't want to look at the mindset of the killers . I can't mention what groups I'm talking about because that would be political, but suffice to say it would threaten their cherished ideologies.
 


In the past, there have been incidents of fake threats for the sole purpose of shutting down the schools.

Here is another recent example:

Suspect May Face Charges After Fake School Threats Posted As ‘Joke’

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/02/20/jeffco-public-schools-threat-columbine/


Ironically, the push may now be to ban both guns and internet free speech.
 
Remember America when we went to an airplane without being searched, had no weapons check at schools, courtrooms etc.? There were no school shootings, no airplane bombings. Where did it all go wrong? We are self destructing.
 
Remember America when we went to an airplane without being searched, had no weapons check at schools, courtrooms etc.? There were no school shootings, no airplane bombings. Where did it all go wrong? We are self destructing.

And remember all the respect for each other and threads were not closed?
 


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