Speakin'a the school shooting

Shalimar said:
Hmmm. By your definition, we Canucks are cultural Marxists, millions of Canadians would take exception to that.
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What happens in other countries does not concern me too much. Your country, your business. Certainly none of my business.


Warrigal said:
Not to mention a few million Aussies too.

IMO the term is a meaningless slur.
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If the term is MEANINGLESS , then don't worry about it. If the tern is MEANINGLESS then there is no reason to become defensive.
 

Traveler said:
What happens in other countries does not concern me too much. Your country, your business. Certainly none of my business.





If the term is MEANINGLESS , then don't worry about it.
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Interesting perspective, insularity versus a more inclusive approach. In my view, “no man is an island.”
 

Shalimar said:
I refuse to judge him without hearing the whole story. Courage takes many forms.
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You are correct. Courage does, indeed, take many forms. What was needed that day was physical courage and self-sacrifice for the protection of the children. If he couldn't, or wouldn't, do his job, then he should not have been there. I'm not a cop but I think I can guarantee that every good cop would have laid down his life for the kids.
 
Shalimar said:
Interesting. An inclusive approach works for Canucks. Imperfectly, we are only human, but it works.
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That would depend on how one defines "works". There are cultural Marxists, here in America, who think things are "working" just fine. From the perspective of others, it seems like "crazy" has no limits.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmmm. So, reality is perception after all? Lol.
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Now that I've had a few minutes to think about it, I will answer after all.

Yes, I do believe perception is reality. Example: When I was in 4th grade my step-father began to lock me up, stark naked, in a closet for 3 days at a time. My reality was pain and humiliation. That was my perception. My step-father, however, had a different perception and reality. He thought, or so he said, that he was teaching me to obey.

To this day, I still believe that my perception WAS reality.

Incidentally, it became a contest. He said "You will obey, or I will break you". I thought, but never dared to say, "No! You will never break me".
 
Traveler said:
Now that I've had a few minutes to think about it, I will answer after all.

Yes, I do believe perception is reality. Example: When I was in 4th grade my step-father began to lock me up, stark naked, in a closet for 3 days at a time. My reality was pain and humiliation. That was my perception. My step-father, however, had a different perception and reality. He thought, or so he said, that he was teaching me to obey.

To this day, I still believe that my perception WAS reality.

Incidentally, it became a contest. He said "You will obey, or I will break you". I thought, but never dared to say, "No! You will never break me".
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What were you doing that he thought was so bad to merit such terrible punishment.?
 
Camper6 said:
What were you doing that he thought was so bad to merit such terrible punishment.?
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I was, even then, a free-spirit. I would just take off and spend the day riding my bicycle miles and miles from home. I can't remember for sure, but it is likely that I neglected my chores. I do remember him saying something about "giving me a taste of jail".

Odd how memory works. I remember as clearly as if it happened yesterday, my 2 little sisters poking corn flakes under the closet door and me licking them up with my tongue.
 
Deputy who resigned didn't go in for 6 minutes was making $75,000 a year and made $101,000 with overtime in 2016. He was well liked. He started in 1985.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...g/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html

He was a clock puncher at this point in his career and probably knew it. Might have had ambition and motivation early in his career but that job was nothing but a paycheck this late in his career. Sad and infuriating because every industry winds up with slugs but they just cost the company money and their fellow employees more work, not people's lives. To top it off in Florida his salary is gold which is probably why he stayed so long.
 
Camper6 said:
I will ask you a question Bob. If you cross the border into Canada you have to leave your weapons behind.

Would you feel safe in Canada?
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I have been to Canada many timess and never had problems. Always met by the border patrols as I entered. They searched my van, opened tool boxes, asked lots of questions. I knew they were serious and tried to be open and serious with them.

How many millions of illegal, unregistered folks does Canada have living there. We have plenty here and more each day. Those folks have no respect for our government and the laws we are supposed to live with, or they would respect our Constitution and our laws and enter the US legally rather than by sneaking in illegally and never registering.
 
Traveler, that is child abuse of the worst order. He should have been reported to the authorities, and IMO belonged in prison.
 
In the US if more folks and politicians at work would read the Constitution there would be a lot less of the socialist and communist stuff going on. The US is made of hard work, not waiting for the government hand outs as many do. Our welfare system had turned into a hand full of money to the lazy and non working. This is not to happen if our folks were actually expected to work for housing and such.

Look around the world and you will find the countries that maintain a lot of socialist and communist ways are also some of the poorest nations of the world and their citizens do need to live a lot poorer than the US folks do.

Typical housing in many countries is smaller than 1,000 sq ft. And in some countries that includes the current family and alll elders they can include as part of the housing load on such a small area.

While in the US it is closer to 1,400 sq ft for the smaller housing and one family usually all involved.
 
BobF said:
... Typical housing in many countries is smaller than 1,000 sq ft. And in some countries that includes the current family and alll elders they can include as part of the housing load on such a small area.

While in the US it is closer to 1,400 sq ft for the smaller housing and one family usually all involved.
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Bigger is not necessarily better.

Bigger space also means bigger utility bills, bigger maintenance costs and bigger insurance.

Want to tie yourself to life-long debt? Get a big house.

But of course, this is America, where big=better.
 
SifuPhil said:
Bigger is not necessarily better.
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I agree, millions of kids grew up in little Cape Cod or ranch style homes in a world where smaller was better. The family gathered in the living room to watch Bonanza or The Wonderful World of Disney together. They ate meals together, stood in line to use the bathroom and got along fine with just one car, television, etc...

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For many kids today living in a spacious home with nothing to keep them company but a computer or a cell phone is a lonely and dangerous place to be.
 
Sunny said:
... and couldn't wait to escape from that "better" lifestyle!

Aunt Bea, you have a starry-eyed view of the past.
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Again, a question of proportion.

Growing up in a one-room dirt-floor shack? Yeah, bigger is better.

Growing up in Mater and Pater's 6,000 SF Scarsdale McMansion? Downsizing would probably be a plus.
 
BobF said:
I have been to Canada many timess and never had problems. Always met by the border patrols as I entered. They searched my van, opened tool boxes, asked lots of questions. I knew they were serious and tried to be open and serious with them.

How many millions of illegal, unregistered folks does Canada have living there. We have plenty here and more each day. Those folks have no respect for our government and the laws we are supposed to live with, or they would respect our Constitution and our laws and enter the US legally rather than by sneaking in illegally and never registering.
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I have many good friends, work associates, relatives, that are here 'illegally'
Much like our forefathers
fleeing oppression
not scamming our government
just trying for a better life

very hard workers
doing things most of us won't

the media doesn't mention them much
 
Well put, Gary O!

Aunt Bea, probably the answer is somewhere in between the nostalgia for the good old days and the mistaken belief that bigger and bigger and bigger is always better. I don't think, for instance, that the whole family lining up to use the bathroom was so wonderful. Most people would consider having 2 bathrooms in the house a lot better. But do we need 5?

One car may have sufficed when Mom was home most of the time, and often didn't even know how to drive. But really, would it be enough for today's families? OTOH, I don't believe that every teenager really needs his/her own vehicle.

About the TV set, well, that whole concept is kind of obsolete. Most of the young people use other devices to watch TV. They seem to like the smaller screens, or maybe they like the privacy of being able to watch whatever they want without parental supervision. But even with only one TV set in the house, I doubt that whole families would sit clustered around it watching Sesame Street, like that family in the charming picture you posted.

Some things have improved, some have not. IMO, simply saying that the good old days were better is overly simplistic, and is generalizing some issues that are more complicated than that.
 

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