Stabbing Rampage California, 4 Dead Several Wounded

Authorities located the suspect by tracking the his silver Mercedes to the store's parking lot.

Silver Mercedes? That takes some digesting.

The suspect's motive appears to be robbery, anger and hate, Garden Grove Police Lt. Carl Whitney said

Anger and hate, definitely. Why he wanted to commit the robberies is a bit of a mystery unless his motive was the violence.

All victims and the suspect are Hispanic. The investigation is ongoing.

This seems to rule out a racial motive. The whole event seems to suggest ICE addiction and/or psychosis. Thank the stars he only had a knife. I'm pretty sure more information will be forthcoming.
 
Silver Mercedes? That takes some digesting.



Anger and hate, definitely. Why he wanted to commit the robberies is a bit of a mystery unless his motive was the violence.



This seems to rule out a racial motive. The whole event seems to suggest ICE addiction and/or psychosis. Thank the stars he only had a knife. I'm pretty sure more information will be forthcoming.

He did have a gun - a gun he took from a security guard after killing him.
 

Silver Mercedes? That takes some digesting.



Anger and hate, definitely. Why he wanted to commit the robberies is a bit of a mystery unless his motive was the violence.



This seems to rule out a racial motive. The whole event seems to suggest ICE addiction and/or psychosis. Thank the stars he only had a knife. I'm pretty sure more information will be forthcoming.

"Silver Mercedes? That takes some digesting."

Why does that take some digesting ?
 
How can u ban knifes which are used every day in some ones household rgp) we have a big problem in the uk with this issue '
with teens ….
 
Since it was knives, rgp, he "only" killed 4. With a gun, it could have been 40 in the same amount of time.


But it wasn't...it was a knife.So banning knives is as logical as banning guns . The number of lives lost should not matter .... one is too many.

Or are you OK with the lower number ? ........ [said tongue in cheek]
 
How can u ban knifes which are used every day in some ones household rgp) we have a big problem in the uk with this issue '
with teens ….


Tighter restrictions on knife purchases, or an outright ban on those over two ? inches. After all the knife appears to be the weapon of choice, so the weapon must be the problem correct? Remove the weapon or make more difficult it's purchase ........ That is the logic towards guns over here. If it will work with guns here ? .......... It will surely work with knives in your country .... No ?
 
guns knifes all to easy to get hold of..more stop and search would help' bad I know but its the society we all live in now ..
 
Yes, I'd rather see fewer people killed rather than more. Of course, I'd rather see none killed at all.

We've said this a few zillion times here already, rgp, but apparently the coin hasn't dropped yet. Banning knives or any other utilitarian instrument is not even remotely comparable to banning guns. Even as a tongue-in-cheek argument. A gun is used for only one purpose, to kill (or to terrorize), A knife is used for many useful purposes, it is a tool. Of course, any object can be used as a weapon if the person is so inclined. But only the gun is designed to kill, and nothing else. An assault weapon is designed to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.

Let me ask you something: forgetting about guns in general, how do you feel about the fact that any nut case can easily and legally acquire an assault weapon? What legitimate purpose could he want it for? Why would any civilian in the private sector need such a weapon? Could we at least agree that strictly regulating (and preferably, outright banning) these weapons could be feasible, since so many of them have been used in mass murders, without bringing in silly arguments about banning knives, baseball bats, automobiles, or anything else that could be used, accientally or deliberately, as an instrument of murder?

Funny in a way, as soon as I saw the words "stabbing rampage" as the heading for this thread, I thought, "Oh here we go. The gun-worshipers must be elated that something other than a gun was used for once. And one of them will now sarcastically suggest banning knives." You are so predictable!

The score is now something like:
U.S. gun deaths last year = nearly 40,000, will be higher this year
Stabbing deaths = 4

Yep, that definitely makes the NRA's point!
 
Yes, I'd rather see fewer people killed rather than more. Of course, I'd rather see none killed at all.

We've said this a few zillion times here already, rgp, but apparently the coin hasn't dropped yet. Banning knives or any other utilitarian instrument is not even remotely comparable to banning guns. Even as a tongue-in-cheek argument. A gun is used for only one purpose, to kill (or to terrorize), A knife is used for many useful purposes, it is a tool. Of course, any object can be used as a weapon if the person is so inclined. But only the gun is designed to kill, and nothing else. An assault weapon is designed to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.

Let me ask you something: forgetting about guns in general, how do you feel about the fact that any nut case can easily and legally acquire an assault weapon? What legitimate purpose could he want it for? Why would any civilian in the private sector need such a weapon? Could we at least agree that strictly regulating (and preferably, outright banning) these weapons could be feasible, since so many of them have been used in mass murders, without bringing in silly arguments about banning knives, baseball bats, automobiles, or anything else that could be used, accientally or deliberately, as an instrument of murder?

Funny in a way, as soon as I saw the words "stabbing rampage" as the heading for this thread, I thought, "Oh here we go. The gun-worshipers must be elated that something other than a gun was used for once. And one of them will now sarcastically suggest banning knives." You are so predictable!

The score is now something like:
U.S. gun deaths last year = nearly 40,000, will be higher this year
Stabbing deaths = 4

Yep, that definitely makes the NRA's point!


Well since you are speaking condescendingly too me, I will to you as well.

"Even as a tongue-in-cheek argument. A gun is used for only one purpose, to kill (or to terrorize), A knife is used for many useful purposes, it is a tool. Of course, any object can be used as a weapon if the person is so inclined. But only the gun is designed to kill, and nothing else. An assault weapon is designed to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time."

Wrong, a gun is also a tool.....a tool to a hunter, an implement to a target/sport shooter.

"how do you feel about the fact that any nut case can easily and legally acquire an assault weapon? "

Wrong, Here where i live anyway, background checks are deeply involved , not just any nut case can get one. Assuming he displays his nut-case-ness. Which [how many do] ?

"Why would any civilian in the private sector need such a weapon? "

Need? Do not know, want? .... It is a skill level for recreational shooters.


"Could we at least agree that strictly regulating (and preferably, outright banning) these weapons could be feasible, since so many of them have been used in mass murders, without bringing in silly arguments about banning knives, baseball bats, automobiles, or anything else that could be used, accientally or deliberately, as an instrument of murder?"

Silly ?..... You stand by your argument, I'll stand by mine.

"Funny in a way, as soon as I saw the words "stabbing rampage" as the heading for this thread, I thought, "Oh here we go. The gun-worshipers must be elated that something other than a gun was used for once. And one of them will now sarcastically suggest banning knives." You are so predictable!"

Yeah I'm sure every hunter was glad too hear of more death at the hand of evil .......... NOT !!! What a horrible thing to say !!!!!!

Gun worshiper ? So predictable ? You do not know me ! .................I do not even own a gun

I am so tempted to use an appropriate label for you .......... But I'll maintain a higher level ............
 
I'm definitely not a gun worshiper but do believe in the Constitution. I actually hate guns.

But since bad guys will always have them I too have a couple of revolvers for protection. I doubt if someone breaks in I'll have time to suggest they wait a few minutes while I dial 911.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem and the rhetoric especially on the left is inciting violence. (And the alt-right isn't off the hook either).

Rick
 
Tighter restrictions on knife purchases, or an outright ban on those over two ? inches. After all the knife appears to be the weapon of choice, so the weapon must be the problem correct? Remove the weapon or make more difficult it's purchase ........ That is the logic towards guns over here. If it will work with guns here ? .......... It will surely work with knives in your country .... No ?
Just as we have restrictions on certain categories of firearms, but not all, we also have certain categories of bladed weapons that are restricted. In each case, the most dangerous ones, designed for killing people. It helps to limit the carnage.
 
Sunny...... not sure where you got your information but........


However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
According to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
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The statistics match the trends seen in previous years, which show knife murders far outnumbering rifle statistics. In 2013, knives were used to kill 1,490 and rifles were used to kill 285. Handguns far outnumber both knives and rifles in American murders. There were 7,105 murders by handgun in America in 2016.
Handguns were not included in the assault weapons ban.
Writing on the issue of handgun violence, The Federalist makes this interesting point:
“But what about handgun murders?” you might ask. “They’re responsible for the majority of gun murders, so why don’t we just ban them and stop worrying about rifles?”
Easy: because gun bans and strict gun control don’t really prevent gun violence. Take, for example, Illinois and California. In 2013, there were 5,782 murders by handgun in the U.S. According to FBI data, 20 percent of those — 1,157 of the 5,782 handgun murders — happened in Illinois and California, which have two of the toughest state gun control regimes in the entire country. And even though California and Illinois contain about 16 percent of the nation’s population, those two states are responsible for over 20 percent of the nation’s handgun murders.
One of the difficulties in the FBI’s statistics is the pinpointing of the exact type of firearm used in the overall number of gun murders. In over 3,000 cases, the firearm is not “stated.” This means it could be a rifle, handgun or shotgun used in the crime.
Certainly, this could potentially add to the number of rifle deaths each year. However, if the ratios of weapons used in the uncategorized 3,000 number reflected the overall sample size, the number of rifle deaths would only rise by a small fraction, not nearly enough to surpass the number of knife deaths.

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Yes, I agree that the make of the car is pretty irrelevant here. For one thing, the car could have been stolen. And even if it wasn't, who says that rich people can't also go nuts?

Rgp, as far as I know, hunters don't use assault rifles. And as far as using the weapons for target shooting, I have no problem with that... as long as the weapons are kept securely locked up at the target range, and are not allowed in private homes. Security measures could be put in place to be sure the guns never leave the premises.
 
To all........sorry for all the "junk" at the bottom of my last post........I could not delete it ??
 
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Yes, I agree that the make of the car is pretty irrelevant here. For one thing, the car could have been stolen. And even if it wasn't, who says that rich people can't also go nuts?

Rgp, as far as I know, hunters don't use assault rifles. And as far as using the weapons for target shooting, I have no problem with that... as long as the weapons are kept securely locked up at the target range, and are not allowed in private homes. Security measures could be put in place to be sure the guns never leave the premises.


Well ....... some hunters do use rapid fire rifles to hunt with.

As for target shooting & your demands........what about those with the range in their own back yard ? Properly setup & safe. Guns kept in the house. What about a collector ? Should he/she not be allowed to collect ? Just because some [your words, nut-case] used one to kill?
 
as far as I know, hunters don't use assault rifles.
Sure they do. The only states that do not allow hunting with an AR-15 are Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Virginia, Ohio, New Jersey, Washington, and West Virginia.
 
All I can say about this is, I consider saving hundreds, or thousands, of lives a year a LOT more important than worrying about whether a hunter can continue getting his kicks by using an assault weapon on a poor, terrified animal ... or whether a certain type of weapon is allowed to be fired in someone's back yard, no matter what the cost to the public safety.

Come on, guys, try stepping back and looking at the big picture. Thousands of deaths vs. "Well, I like shooting assault rifles, and no matter what it takes, I will never give it up until they pry it out of my hot little hand." Which is more important?

The pro-gun arguments are getting progressively weaker and more ridiculous all the time. I believe it will just be a matter of time (and how many more deaths?) before public outrage finally topples the NRA empire and its brain-washed followers.
 
The pro-gun arguments are getting progressively weaker and more ridiculous all the time. I believe it will just be a matter of time (and how many more deaths?) before public outrage finally topples the NRA empire and its brain-washed followers.

It always comes down to hysterics and name-calling for the gun control group, doesn't it? Can you name ONE shooter who was an NRA member, or "brain-washed follower?" No, I don't think you can.
 


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