Texas Cop shoots woman to death inside her own home.

These cold blooded murders by cops have got to stop...or at least slow down. Whether this incident was racially motivated or not, there are many that are. If a person wants to take on the job of policing in the US, they should be well trained, have no personality disorders where they desire to use with power, badge and firearm to bully or kill, they should not be so paranoid and jumpy (trigger-happy) as to shoot first and ask questions later. They need to cease acting as judge, jury and executioner. They should definitely not be racist, which obviously from past murders by cop, many of them are.

It's a shame that you can't call in a welfare check or 911, without taking the chance of the citizen wanting help from the police department takes a chance of being killed themselves. Another case was the Vietnam vet in Co., killed by police in his own home.

It doesn't matter if that young woman had a firearm in her home, she was not the one who overreacted and shot someone, it was a 'professional' who did that killing. May the young woman rest peacefully, sympathy to her family. :(

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THERE IS A LOT OF AWFULIZING OF THIS EVENT: It is far to late to state,' it was just awful.'

lWhat are we going to do to assure that such events do not occur again!

The process would be long, difficult and eventually we would get frustrated and give up-that is our history.
Awfulizing, solves nothing. action solves problems, but we are too darn lazy to pursuer such an event that may well require a decade.
(I'm to laze to be outraged over two weeks-YOU?
The species will yammer a while then 'let it slide,' until a similar event occurs, then respond with more 'yammering.'

Annie A's post on the concentration of gun owners was a surprise, People in the northwest have a need for long gun; too many dangerous critters that can eat your up in these regions, especially Alaska..

I live in the rural,, we have coyotes. wolves and the occasional cougar, a pistol is required for personal protection. .
There have been sighting of Cougars in a suburban areas of Greater Dallas Area. We have encroached on their natural habitat , forcing them to seek food in urban areas. It is not a regional problem, it is a national problem.
(Not to mention India where wild critters come to the city and eat folks dogs and cats...)
Many feel the need to carry a firearm to protect their animal and themselves, when walking their pets,. That's a hell'va note!

I haven't mentioned the human predators that wander seclude areas in urban areas.

I found Hawaii as one of the largest gun owing states in the nation peculiar. WHY?
Terrorist are not the problem, it's us!

I'm to damn sorry to get off my butt and take any positive action; I can 'yammer,' that is about it.
 
Update: The idiot cop was charged with murder. But if he's found guilty, don't expect the same sentence for a non officer.
 
Yes, he was charged with murder. I hope they throw the book at him. This one is even more egregious than the last one. . I don't see any "excuse" at all for this one -- I saw in one of the reports that he "perceived a threat," which is patently ridiculous in the circumstances. He saw movement in the house through the window in the dark -- -um, well, it was an occupied house, no? What a surprise there might be movement in there! Then they said they found a gun in the house, well THAT's a big deal (sarcasm). I live in the southwest, and most of us have guns in the house -- it's not illegal, after all; it's not even suspicious. There's no indication she had it in her hand -- even if she did, which she didn't, what's so weird about an occupant of a house, hearing prowling around in the backyard in the middle of the night (which the cop was doing) picking up a firearm just in case they needed to defend themselves??

He hadn't even identified himself as a police officer, and he gave the moving person something like 2 seconds to react. This one is indefensible, IHMO.
 
applecruncher said:
Michael Slager - 20 yrs
Justin Volpe - 30 yrs
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Thanks for proving my point.
Justin Volpe should have been executed. Or, at least life without parole - in the prison's general population, where he might get the same treatment he gave his victim.
Michael Slager - life without parole would be justice.
 
@win231

I simply showed that your generalization about cops not getting long sentences didn't always apply. However, we agree about Volpe and Slager. Volpe's crime should sicken any civilized human being.
 
Trade said:
RPG's defending the white guy that shot the black woman.

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There you go again, putting words in my mouth.......Why do you do that ? It only kills your credibility. I am not defending anyone. I merely asked you a question, & put forth a scenario . But like always with you it seems, you just cannot stay focused, and respond with a valid argument....
 
The officer discussed here resigned before he could could fired. Tonight it was reported he
was arrested and charged with murder. It seems to me there is an understanding In this country, that a cop can shoot black people with no consequences. It nearly always comes back as a justified shooting or justified chocking. I expect a few cops will have to be convicted and sent to the pen before they start thinking, 'this shooting may not be necessary since I don't see anyone pointing a gun at me.'
And I do realize there are times officers put their their lives on the line and shootings are justified.
But often it is murder.
 
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trade:
Public outrage has not provide any change that I can remember, expect riot police, national guard-money won't solve the, withdrawal of funds
won't solve the problem; everybody to walk around armed-ok, we can then count the killings by the truckload. I have no answers and the answer becomes more elusive
 
win231 said:
The cop's defense will be an old one: "She made a furtive movement with her hand towards the gun."
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According to reports, he didn't even see who or what sex or what age, or even if it was a human or a pet -- just "movement." And it was pitch dark both inside the room the movement was in and outside as well. It could even have been the nephew he shot. I've read that he didn't see any gun -- it was pitch black and outside a closed window. Cops just found the gun inside the house when they went in after they murdered that poor woman. They didn't say where -- it could have been in her sock drawer.

Even if she had picked up the gun (which she didn't), now it's a capital offense to pick up your own gun in your own home?? She had no way of knowing there were cops lurking in her backyard. She didn't call them; a neighbor had called them for a welfare check on her because her front door was open, evidently with a closed screen. Nobody needs to wonder about her welfare now, do they? She's stone cold dead. Her heinous crime which warranted the cop using lethal force? Playing video games late at night with her nephew, while black, in the home she had moved back to because her mother was sick and needed help.

The whole thing is on body cam, but they've only released parts of it.
 
I watched the body cam footage from beginning to end and I couldn't believe how fast he shot. It was instantly. They went from checking the home to shooting her just like that. Really no exchange of words or gunfire. Just bang, almost a surprise it was that quick.

I'm still wondering why they didn't knock on the door and inform the resident that the neighbor asked they be checked on. I will say the front door/storm door was in lousy shape in need of repair-it looked like a bent frame or lose stripping but that does not mean an intruder did that. Why would an intruder leave those lights on and door open during a home invasion.

There are training issues but if a person is really that scared or in fear of their life they should not be a cop. Just like a person who doesn't like people should not be working in customer service. Or a person faints at blood should not be a doctor. But if their adrenaline and fear reactions are triggered(literally) that easily they should not be a police officer.
 
AnnieA said:
Yep. Top 10 states. Texas doesn't even make the list. Though I do agree with Trade above that there's at least one gun in most homes in Texas. As for the list, I'm not sure of the accuracy since there's no standardization for gun reporting by state.


StateGun Ownership2019 Pop.
Alaska61.70%735,720
Arkansas57.90%3,026,412
Idaho56.90%1,790,182
West Virginia54.20%1,791,951
Wyoming53.80%572,381
Montana52.30%1,074,532
New Mexico49.90%2,096,034
Alabama48.90%4,898,246
North Dakota47.90%760,900
Hawaii45.10%1,416,589
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I'm fairly certain the list isn't accurate as to NM. Most firearms don't have to be registered here. Mine are not, and many firearms here have been in families since long before anybody kept records of gun sales so I don't think anybody has any kind of accurate records about firearms in NM. I'd venture that's probably true of other states as well, especially here in the west.
 
Butterfly said:
Yeah, especially since there was no report of anything dangerous going on in the home. The neighbor just wondered if the lady was OK.
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Saw news reports about him. He's an emotional mess right now. :( And I cannot begin to imagine the trauma the poor nephew will deal with all his life, and what her mother who is currently hospitalized with some sort of chronic issues is going through. :(
 
Whatever happened to knock-knock "Dallas police, anybody home?"
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Yes, Applecruncher, I wondered the same thing. Why on earth would a cop in this situation start shooting, right off the bat? He clearly was too emotionally unstable to be on a police force, and armed. He should not only be fired(!), he should be prosecuted for manslaughter, or murder.

This kind of tragedy would be awful, no matter who the shooter was. But the way a lot of these cops have been behaving lately, I have to wonder what kind of screening they go through before they are unleashed on the public, who are depending on them for protection.
 
Butterfly said:
I'm fairly certain the list isn't accurate as to NM. Most firearms don't have to be registered here. Mine are not, and many firearms here have been in families since long before anybody kept records of gun sales so I don't think anybody has any kind of accurate records about firearms in NM. I'd venture that's probably true of other states as well, especially here in the west.
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I'm pretty sure most of those numbers are low. I've known plenty of people that don't want the government to know anything about what guns they may have.

 
Butterfly said:
I'm fairly certain the list isn't accurate as to NM. Most firearms don't have to be registered here. Mine are not, and many firearms here have been in families since long before anybody kept records of gun sales so I don't think anybody has any kind of accurate records about firearms in NM. I'd venture that's probably true of other states as well, especially here in the west.
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It’s actually against federal law to require guns to be registered on a national registry list, but some states do require registration. I think only 5 or 6 states require registration. Pennsylvania is not one of them.
 
SeaBreeze, normally I respect your posts, but the post that is in this thread, well, WOW! and I’ll leave it at that.

Hiring police has become a bit of a challenge for most all agencies that are looking to hire. During our last recruitment period, we had 68 candidates applying. After all the vetting and “washing out the laundry” (as we call doing background checks) we ended with 17 qualified applicants. Then, when we ended with doing the mental and physical challenges, we were down to 7. Those candidates move onto the Academy as soon as we can continue accepting additional future Cadets. Sometimes, we have to go through this process 3-4 times to reach our “valued number” of 30.

So, my point is, hiring acceptable people to train can be a tedious process, if done properly. I have known some municipalities to jump ahead because of the immediate need to fill vacancies. This should never be allowed, regardless of the need. Municipalities have options if their need gets to the point of being an emergency, like; requesting aide from other police forces, including their state police, or using sheriff’s deputies, and if really in an emergency, they may ask the state’s Governor for temporary use of the state’s National Guard, which is doubtful that it would ever get to that point, but it has happened.

To be a cop, there are certain requirements that must be met and they have to be inherent. For example; the candidate needs to possess certain qualities like; honesty and integrity, reliable and responsible, loyal and faithful and bravery are all a must. The candidate must be willing to lay down their life, if and when necessary during a time when the situation would warrant.

When a police officer goes awry of the law(s) that they have sworn to uphold and protect, they must also be willing to accept responsibility for their actions. To do less would bring shame and dishonor on him/her.

This is what I believe and this is the way that I led my life, both on and off the job. A police officer never punches out. He is always on duty and ready to take action when and if necessary. I never hesitated to step up, even if it meant putting my life on the line. Every time I walked up to a vehicle that I stopped, every time that I went through a door without knowing what or who was on the other side, every call for help that I answered while not knowing if it may have been a trap, I never wavered to do my job. This is who I am and this is what I was sworn to do.

With the current events that have been happening, I tend to believe that the wrong person posing as a police officer probably shouldn’t have been there. It is also apparent to me that training is lacking. For God’s sakes, what police department would ever teach their officers that when they are doing a wellness check “not” to knock on the door or ring the bell and announce themself? And, if he/she enters the property, why in the hell do you have your weapon drawn? Hand on weapon, OK, but why are you ready to shoot? This is why you have your weapon drawn. You are preparing to shoot. To me, this all leads me to believe that lack of training or responsible training did not exist.

This is all that I will be commenting on about these shootings.
 

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