The difference between men and women

"If I've never learned anything else in this life, it is this, a woman will never, ever, say to a man, "I'm sorry. You were right and I was wrong"
Um, I haven't heard you say it either, Traveler, in spite of the fact that you've been firmly contradicted by nearly all the women (and some of the men!) on this bb.

"Suggestion, spend some time on Rodeo Drive, in the very heart of Beverly Hills, and watch who shops at the ultra-expensive big-name boutiques."
Sigh, yes, it's a safe bet that if you look at boutiques featuring women's attire, jewelry, makeup, etc., you're likely to find a preponderance of female shoppers. Just as a shop featuring football jerseys, for instance would most likely have a preponderance of male shoppers. So, what on earth is that supposed to prove?

"If a person wishes to attract the opposite gender, whether it is just to get attention, or for romance, how that is accomplished depends upon whether you are male or female."

"Women know, and have known since the dawn of time, and with absolute certainty, that men are most swayed by what they see."

Sounds pretty general to me. But, once you were backing down,

"I should also like to point out that I never said ALL women. As a matter of fact I am well aware that there are many women who are quite content living with a caring/loving man, regardless of his financial position."

At last, a glimmer of hope! :)

One thing you raised near the end of this discussion is sort of a valid point, though it's probably not the point you were trying to make. You said that people's viewpoints vary according to their particular situation and experiences in life. I think you are pretty obviously referring to financial status, but I think it's more true when considered in the light of geographical location.

I gather you are from California, Traveler. (Even though your name implies that you have traveled a lot). This fixation on show-offy status, physical beauty, etc. is very much a product of California. Watch the series "Big Little Lies" for a glorious example. It's one reason that, wherever I've lived, Californians are often not welcome as new residents. People resent that attitude. It does not reflect the population as a whole, only a small portion of it, who clearly don't "get it."

Thank you, anyway, for inspiring a lively discussion, and for being flexible enough to at least back off a little bit, once you had given the matter some thought.
 

one of the things that has been overlooked is that the "Choice" game is a two way street. Yes - women have a choice when men ask them out, but you overlook the fact that men have a choice also - they get to choose who they ask out. There has, for centuries, been an ongoing competition among many (if not most) men for the most attractive women. From a biological standpoint attractiveness supposedly equals health and fertility (necessities for successful reproduction). The same is true for men with the additional ability to protect and provide for said family. It exists in all of us to varying degrees - whether or not we are aware of it. I suspect that it is strongest when we are at our youngest and healthiest, but I have no proof of it - just an opinion. Age and experience may blunt it.
 
If I've never learned anything else in this life, it is this, a woman will never, ever, say to a man, "I'm sorry. You were right and I was wrong

My experience has been just the opposite. To admit error is tantamount to losing face. This diminishes his feeling of power (i.e. as head of household, etc.) There are females who, of course, maintain their infallibility - for similar reasons, but it has been my experience that they are vastly outnumbered by males
 

I have very carefully read all of the attacks on my views and I can not find a single thing I said which was not true. Not one ! There must be something quite threatening about what I say, but I surely don't know what it is. I most certainly have NOT called any women any names. I have NOT said that women are in any way "bad" or that they are "airheads". I have NOT said that women are less intelligent or that they are not capable of attaining high professional status.

So, ladies, what have I said that is so threatening ?
 
This just reminds me of something I have heard many times. Women think with their Brains and men think with another part of their bodies. A woman knows what attracts that part of the Man's attention and all men care about is the part of the woman they hope to get.:wink:
 
Oh, no. Bad, bad boys. Men like sex. What a terrible thing. Straight men like sex. Gay men like sex. If men didn't like sex so much, the population of the earth would be --- zero.
 
The entire point of this thread is to compare and contrast how men and women make themselves attractive to the opposite gender. (read my post #1)

Women, as a general rule, are in competition with each other in order to gain the most attention. They do this by spending a small fortune on: cosmetics, skin conditioners, hair care products, manicures, pedicures, a vast array of clothing, shoes, hair stylists, and jewelry. Men find all of this quite attractive. Yet, women deny that they are doing all of their "beauty" treatments to attract the attention of men.

Well, ladies, all of your efforts, throughout all of human history, to make yourselves look sexy and attractive to men has been phenomenally successful. You have gained our attention. We, as men, appreciate your efforts. Thank you.
 
Many advertisements and articles in women's magazines, such as Cosmo, Allure, Elle and dozens of others talk about sexy this and sexy that. Sexy shoes, sexy blouses, sexy hair styles, sexy dresses, sexy eye make-up, etc, etc. Those magazines, exclusively for women, make an absolute fortune pushing their products. There are millions of women who buy those products.

For those who to try find some way to deny this, please note: I did not say ALL women.

Any complaints so far ? Does anybody deny that there are such magazines which are devoted almost exclusively to feminine beauty ?
 
Clubwear-Dresses-TB2434-Low-Cut-Deep-V-Neck-Sexy-Women-s-Mini-Dress-with-Cinched-Ties.jpg for those who do not know what I'm talking about. This it it ! The photo comes from a woman's magazine and the article accompanying it describes how "seductive' the dress is. Who is she trying to seduce ? Some man, that's who. It would certainly work with me.
P.S. I am in no possible way saying or hinting that there is anything wrong with what she is doing. It may not be every woman's choice but it seems to work for her.
 
Actually that advertisement is attempting to seduce readers into buying their overly expensive products. If seduction doesn't work then body shaming will do the trick. That heavily photoshopped image, of an impossibly perfect woman is dangled in front of young women who are already insecure about their looks, and hey presto, another customer for the beauty industry is created. This kind of manipulation is effective on immature girls, and once hooked, they continue to be customers for life even though they never achieve the perfection of the model.

As a teen I plastered my face with layers of makeup and felt naked without it. My hair was curled and lacquered because my naturally straight hair was not in vogue. Then I read The Female Eunuch and realised that I could go out in public without wearing the war paint to hide my natural looks. Ditto the painted nails and the elasticised underwear that was completely unnecessary for the young trim body that I had back then. I stopped sleeping with my hair in uncomfortable plastic curlers and decided that I would please myself about how I looked. Over the years I have saved thousands on beauty products and I have developed my own style of dressing. It relies more on bright colours than naked skin. I'm happy and so is Hubby. He likes the way I look, with or without cosmetic enhancements.

None of my female relatives attempt the kind of sexy dressing that you describe although when we go out we do like to "look nice".
 
Two of my granddaughters.

Top - L*** who is a singer and is seen here at a gig at a café.
She has a long term boyfriend that she has known from school.

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Below - C****, who works in hospitality.
Seen here eating out looking fresh and natural.
She is married to a motor mechanic who met her through mutual friends and then rang her up to ask for a date.
He had to get past her father who met him at the gate when he came to take her out on a first date.

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I really don't know what your reality is like - it sounds horrible - but there is another reality out there.
 
Traveler, I am a Grandma. Not the sexy Grandma type. The role poly "I made you some cookies dear" type.
I don't live in California. I live in North Carolina. I don't look at Cosmo or allure, etc. Not sure why you do.
The thought of a young man going after me for sex is about as funny as him going after me for my money.
I think the debate on this subject is fine but at my age I can agree there are many differences between men and women and leave it there.
I think you're right about one thing. If people don't like your thread they should movie on.
 
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Actually that advertisement is attempting to seduce readers into buying their overly expensive products. If seduction doesn't work then body shaming will do the trick. That heavily photoshopped image, of an impossibly perfect woman is dangled in front of young women who are already insecure about their looks, and hey presto, another customer for the beauty industry is created. This kind of manipulation is effective on immature girls, and once hooked, they continue to be customers for life even though they never achieve the perfection of the model.

As a teen I plastered my face with layers of makeup and felt naked without it. My hair was curled and lacquered because my naturally straight hair was not in vogue. Then I read The Female Eunuch and realised that I could go out in public without wearing the war paint to hide my natural looks. Ditto the painted nails and the elasticised underwear that was completely unnecessary for the young trim body that I had back then. I stopped sleeping with my hair in uncomfortable plastic curlers and decided that I would please myself about how I looked. Over the years I have saved thousands on beauty products and I have developed my own style of dressing. It relies more on bright colours than naked skin. I'm happy and so is Hubby. He likes the way I look, with or without cosmetic enhancements.

None of my female relatives attempt the kind of sexy dressing that you describe although when we go out we do like to "look nice".



Warrigal, I must compliment you on a very well thought out, and well written post. Excellent food for thought. I do, however, believe there is a step "beyond" what you so accurately describe.

My ex, at age 44, would spend about 45 minutes every workday morning applying her make-up and general primping. Now that I think about it she would not even leave the house on the weekends, to get some breakfast with me, without putting on what she called "her face".
 
Warrigal, I must compliment you on a very well thought out, and well written post. Excellent food for thought. I do, however, believe there is a step "beyond" what you so accurately describe.

My ex, at age 44, would spend about 45 minutes every workday morning applying her make-up and general primping. Now that I think about it she would not even leave the house on the weekends, to get some breakfast with me, without putting on what she called "her face".

There are women like that. One of my cousins married one. Even when she had a newborn baby she would not do anything at all in the morning before she was fully made up. My cousin had to attend to the crying baby because she wasn't ready.

To me, this behaviour is an aberration. I consider such women emotionally crippled by their early conditioning. I hate the way little girls are being sexualised these days in their very tender years. Again, I blame the mothers who allow them to habitually were nail polish and makeup and dress in clothing with sexual slogans. It will take years of deconditioning to remove these ideas of self image in later years.
 
There are women like that. One of my cousins married one. Even when she had a newborn baby she would not do anything at all in the morning before she was fully made up. My cousin had to attend to the crying baby because she wasn't ready.

To me, this behaviour is an aberration. I consider such women emotionally crippled by their early conditioning. I hate the way little girls are being sexualised these days in their very tender years. Again, I blame the mothers who allow them to habitually were nail polish and makeup and dress in clothing with sexual slogans. It will take years of deconditioning to remove these ideas of self image in later years.


Ok, great answer. I fully accept what you say. Question: Do you believe that insecurity you speak of applies to all women who spend so much time on applying make-up and doing her hair ? Does it apply to models and "movie stars". Both of us have seen the ladies at the "Oscars". They obviously didn't just slap something together. Days, perhaps even weeks, of thought and planning went into how they would display themselves, on the red carpet, before the ceremony. And those dresses cost $10,000 plus.
I don't mean to be a smart a** but they look pretty darn secure to me.
 
Do you remember the fuss when Julia Roberts revealed her unshaven armpits?

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/11-celebrities-hairy-armpits-julia-3784706

The women on the red carpet and the catwalk are under enormous pressure to present the image du jour. They are ambassadors for the fashion, film and associated industries. Few of them pay for their own frocks and accessories and they do what they are told else they are pilloried mercilessly.

Don't forget that some of these women were once so insecure that they put up with men like Harvey Weinstein rather than knee them in the goolies.
 
Yes the pressure in Hollywood is enormous. If I have a bad hair day or put on a few pounds I can say " at least I don't get paid to look good."
I do wear makeup to work to present a professional image and admit I don't leave the house without a little makeup. It feels like part of grooming to me not a mask.
Some of things we've discussed take me it way over the top but that's the case with anything.
We all want to look our best whether attracting a mate or a client or pleasing ourselves.
 
Do you remember the fuss when Julia Roberts revealed her unshaven armpits?

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/11-celebrities-hairy-armpits-julia-3784706

The women on the red carpet and the catwalk are under enormous pressure to present the image du jour. They are ambassadors for the fashion, film and associated industries. Few of them pay for their own frocks and accessories and they do what they are told else they are pilloried mercilessly.

Don't forget that some of these women were once so insecure that they put up with men like Harvey Weinstein rather than knee them in the goolies.



REALLY ? WOW ! I had no idea. All of those famous women like Demi Moore , Cher, and Julia Roberts have their gowns paid for by the industry ? And they must do as they are told ? I would have thought that such famous women like Demi and Cher and Julia would have more than enough power to tell the industry where to stick it.

No, I don't remember anything about Julia Roberts unshaved arm pits. She got in trouble over that ?
I do recall that semi-recently Demi Moore had all her clothes stolen from her hotel room while she was at some big event. She reported the loss was in the neighborhood of $230,000 USD
 
Hey, Traveler, it seems to me you are protesting a bit too much. You raise an absolutely absurd argument, which would describe a horrifying relationship between men and women, using every antiquated stereotype in the book. In your first post, you dangled it in front of us like so much bait.

Then, when you got the desired response from everyone, you became all huffy and defensive, insisting that your absurdity was right, although you did make a few small concessions ("I didn't say ALL women, etc.") And you can't seem to let go of the issue.

You seem to be outraged that most people don't see the world through your glasses, warped though they may be. Maybe it's time to let this issue go?
 
I think circumstances and age differ in how we are attracted to the opposite sex. Teens vs. 30/40 somethings vs seniors. High school sweethearts, vs meeting a stranger & lastly the loss of partner/significant other in later years.


Teens I think it's more about social interaction in a peer group.




Later in life like the 30/40 group physical appearance dictates. What goes on in your mind when you see a 350lb man at the beach in a speedo swimming suit? Or a 350 lb. woman in a string bikini?


Seniors personal appearance doing the best you can beats giving up.




There are products and services to reach the wants of both men and women in each phase of life. It comes down to pride in yourself and doing the best with what you are born with within your economic means.
 
for those who do not know what I'm talking about. This it it ! The photo comes from a woman's magazine and the article accompanying it describes how "seductive' the dress is. Who is she trying to seduce ? Some man, that's who. It would certainly work with me.
P.S. I am in no possible way saying or hinting that there is anything wrong with what she is doing. It may not be every woman's choice but it seems to work for her.

Question: if this ad is in a woman's magazine, how is the model seducing men?

I would think she's saying "Buy this dress and you'll look just like me, girls".
 


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