The liberal media has gone nuts

Status
Not open for further replies.
Traveler

Traveler

Senior Member
Location
San Diego County
The liberal media in America has gone absolutely bat Sh*t crazy.

When Bruce Jenner began sex change surgery and re-named himself Kaitlyn Jenner, the leftist/liberal media began referring to him as, "she" and/or "her.

No matter what modern science can do to alter the outward appearance of an individual, they can not change the DNA of anyone.

It is for this reason that Bruce Jenner is not, nor can he ever be, a female. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. And they will always be so.

The surgeons can "chop it off" and can give him powerful hormones to cause breasts to grow, but that does not make him a female.

If you doubt what I say , then consider the following. If we were to draw blood from 10 different people (5 men and 5 women) and then asked a lab to identify the genders of the blood donors, the lab would, with 100% accuracy, correctly identify the donor's gender.

If Bruce Jenner was among the 10 people, his blood work would come back as MALE. If we then told the lab they were wrong, and we told them that the blood came from a female, they would think we were NUTS.

The lab is right. It is the media who has gone over the edge into insanity.

Political correctness makes people crazy.
 

What law says that 'he' is only applied to males and 'she' is only applied to females?
I grew up in an era where the masculine was said to implicitly include the feminine as in 'mankind' and 'everyman' being terms that applied to men and women collectively.

If a person wishes to be referred to as 'he' rather than 'she' or vice versa, why should they not be accommodated? If a ship can be referred to as 'she', why not a transgendered female?
 
Warrigal said:
What law says that 'he' is only applied to males and 'she' is only applied to females?
I grew up in an era where the masculine was said to implicitly include the feminine as in 'mankind' and 'everyman' being terms that applied to men and women collectively.

If a person wishes to be referred to as 'he' rather than 'she' or vice versa, why should they not be accommodated? If a ship can be referred to as 'she', why not a transgendered female?
Click to expand...


I'm not talking about any LAW. I'm talking about common sense.

If I want to be called a Martian, does that make me a Martian? Come on, simple common sense is needed, not some goofy political correctness garbage. I tell you the world has gone nuts.

I can't speak for anyone else but I refuse to go down the rabbit hole of "Alice In Wonderland: where everything is backwards. Sometimes I think there is absolutely no hope for this world.
 

My interest lies in the content of a person’s character, to me, all else is specious. Btw, my nephew’s spouse is transgender, a doctor who works with him in Medecin sans Fronteres.
 
Bruce Jenner has to live with his choices, all we have to do is accept them.

If you want to be called a Martian I'm ok with that.

"Accepting people does not itself mean agreeing with them, approving of them, waiving your own rights, or downplaying their impact upon you. You can still take appropriate actions to protect or support yourself or others. Or you can simply let people be. Either way, you accept the reality of the other person. You may not like it, you may not prefer it, you may feel sad or angry about it, but at a deeper level, you are at peace with it. That alone is a blessing. And sometimes, your shift to acceptance can help things get better." - Rick Hanson Ph.D.
 
I have absolutely no problem with people who are gay; who am I to decide what their sexual preference should be? With the "trans" folks, I do have a problem. I agree with Traveler that gender is determined by a person's
DNA, it's hard-wired into every cell of our body, and can't be changed, no matter what our wishes are in the matter.

However, how is this to be implemented? Let's say a person is being written about in the paper for some reason (good or bad). Their sex seems uncertain, so what is the reporter to do? Come right out and ask them which
they are? What if their answer seems dubious to the reporter? Should the person then be forced to have a blood test?

What if he/she has achieved something truly noteworthy? Should they then be "exposed" as the other gender than the one they say they are? Wouldn't this be treating them with an extreme lack of respect?

Like most issues, it can get complicated. What is "right" is not always the first thing that comes to mind.
 
How is all this a "liberal media" problem/issue?

Caitlyn Jenner was news in 2015, two and a half yrs ago. Is there something recent that's upsetting you?

Traveler, if you wanted to discuss Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, fine, but your thread title suggests otherwise. Or is that your way of skirting a political discussion?
 
ALL of the media has gone crazy. They all stick to their narrative no matter how ridiculous. They use social media as their sources. Ratings and money are what it's about. Look for real investigative journalists that are not so connected with networks.
 
Traveler said:
The liberal media in America has gone absolutely bat Sh*t crazy.

When Bruce Jenner began sex change surgery and re-named himself Kaitlyn Jenner, the leftist/liberal media began referring to him as, "she" and/or "her.

No matter what modern science can do to alter the outward appearance of an individual, they can not change the DNA of anyone.

It is for this reason that Bruce Jenner is not, nor can he ever be, a female. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. And they will always be so.

The surgeons can "chop it off" and can give him powerful hormones to cause breasts to grow, but that does not make him a female.

If you doubt what I say , then consider the following. If we were to draw blood from 10 different people (5 men and 5 women) and then asked a lab to identify the genders of the blood donors, the lab would, with 100% accuracy, correctly identify the donor's gender.

If Bruce Jenner was among the 10 people, his blood work would come back as MALE. If we then told the lab they were wrong, and we told them that the blood came from a female, they would think we were NUTS.

The lab is right. It is the media who has gone over the edge into insanity.

Political correctness makes people crazy.
Click to expand...

Political correctness causes inflexible,close minded, screwed up conservatives to go crazy. The rest of us enjoy a kinder gentler type of intercourse, that doesn't belittle or marginalize other people.

What possible difference does what Jenner call herself make to you. Is she paying your mortgage, are you sleeping with her? If either of the two are true, fine question away!!!! If not just please go attend to things that are in your within your realm and leave the forward thinkers alone.

I hope for your sake that you are really really old, or the changes that are at long last coming to this country will really push you over the edge.

We as a nation are getting more BROWN, the old norms no longer hold true, but best of all we are inexorably moving down the path to become a more socialist nation. There may be a few bumps in the road, such as the abomination we are currently suffering under, but we are finally on our way!
 
Traveler said:
The liberal media in America has gone absolutely bat Sh*t crazy.

When Bruce Jenner began sex change surgery and re-named himself Kaitlyn Jenner, the leftist/liberal media began referring to him as, "she" and/or "her.

No matter what modern science can do to alter the outward appearance of an individual, they can not change the DNA of anyone.

It is for this reason that Bruce Jenner is not, nor can he ever be, a female. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. And they will always be so.

The surgeons can "chop it off" and can give him powerful hormones to cause breasts to grow, but that does not make him a female.

If you doubt what I say , then consider the following. If we were to draw blood from 10 different people (5 men and 5 women) and then asked a lab to identify the genders of the blood donors, the lab would, with 100% accuracy, correctly identify the donor's gender.

If Bruce Jenner was among the 10 people, his blood work would come back as MALE. If we then told the lab they were wrong, and we told them that the blood came from a female, they would think we were NUTS.

The lab is right. It is the media who has gone over the edge into insanity.

Political correctness makes people crazy.
Click to expand...

so glad that's all cleared up now

tonight

I will sleep
 
Sunny said:
I have absolutely no problem with people who are gay; who am I to decide what their sexual preference should be? With the "trans" folks, I do have a problem. I agree with Traveler that gender is determined by a person's
DNA, it's hard-wired into every cell of our body, and can't be changed, no matter what our wishes are in the matter.

However, how is this to be implemented? Let's say a person is being written about in the paper for some reason (good or bad). Their sex seems uncertain, so what is the reporter to do? Come right out and ask them which
they are? What if their answer seems dubious to the reporter? Should the person then be forced to have a blood test?

What if he/she has achieved something truly noteworthy? Should they then be "exposed" as the other gender than the one they say they are? Wouldn't this be treating them with an extreme lack of respect?

Like most issues, it can get complicated. What is "right" is not always the first thing that comes to mind.
Click to expand...

In the bigger scheme it is a bit ludicrous to claim oneself is a different gender. A person can change their name, wear clothing appropriate for the other gender, have surgery, still doesn't mean a person biologically becomes a different gender. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it. A person can do what they like as long as it's not harming others, but doesn't change the biologic fact.
 
It sounds like a post directed more toward discrediting "liberal media" and the supposed subject of the post (Bruce Jenner in this case) is largely irrelevant. Many other subjects could be used but the main point would still be "the liberal press".

Lucky that we didn't have such a divided press back in WWII. The attack on Pearl Harbor, as reported by the same "liberal media", NBC, CBS, etc.) would have instantly been refuted by other news sources causing a delay in responding until it could be decided which was "fake news". How sad that we have fallen this far as to quibble over every sound bite that reaches our ears.
 
A person can do what they like as long as it's not harming others, "

I strongly agree here...


And........


"but doesn't change the biologic fact."


Is in itself a fact....
 
hearlady said:
ALL of the media has gone crazy. They all stick to their narrative no matter how ridiculous. They use social media as their sources. Ratings and money are what it's about. Look for real investigative journalists that are not so connected with networks.
Click to expand...


I agree. Once, not so many years ago, words had real, agreed upon, meanings. Husband, wife, man, woman, marriage, all had a specific meaning. This is no longer the case. Today, in the weird world of the Wacko Leftist Propaganda Machine, if a person speaks of a wife, all of us understood that meant a person with certain biological equipment. But wait, the Brave New World is here, the "wife" can be anything; Male, Female, who the hell knows ?

The way things are going, soon, if a person speaks about his marriage, that could even mean another species. That person's "marriage" might very well mean he is married to a sheep. Why not ? After all, who is he harming ?
 
Meaning of GENDER which is not simply or even necessarily biological.

GENDER
ˈjendər/
noun

  • 1.
    the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
  • 2.
    GRAMMAR
    (in languages such as Latin, Greek, Russian, and German) each of the classes (typically masculine, feminine, common, neuter) of nouns and pronouns distinguished by the different inflections that they have and require in words syntactically associated with them. Grammatical gender is only very loosely associated with natural distinctions of sex.
Click to expand...
 
Sometimes I had the PC movement. Something are just common sense. I mean...as someone said, if it does not affect my own life, and if the person is not doing something danger, illegal, or harmful to others, who am I to complain?
I consider myself pretty open minded and accepting of all. If a person is gay, trans, bisexual or what ever. Let it be. If a person is trans, and has had surgery, and leads their life as they are comfortable, let them be. Let them use the bathroom they are comfortable with. With so many places now having unisex or "family" bathrooms, then it is a non issue. I mean, if you saw a trans woman or man in the bathroom, and did not know who they were, you would not even know. And why should you care?
Trans people, with VERY few exceptions, are not after your kids. They are not pedophiles. People say they do not want a trans person in the bathroom with their kid. But what about a man or woman who was born into that gender..I would be more concerned with one of them being a pedophile. No one thinks of that.

People focus too much on what is below the waist and not as much on what is above the shoulders. There is more to gender identity than sex. Live and let live.


 
I have just received a number of PM's and reputation comments in support of my opinion. I would very much like those sane people to post on this thread. I know, it is sometimes difficult to make a public stand. but, please, be brave. Please don't allow your voice to remain silent.

I know, I know, it may SEEM like opposing views are in the majority but they are not. It only SEEMS that way because they are so loud and vocal. Refuse to be intimidated !
 
Intimidated? Moi? uh....nah :laugh: (Yeah, I know you didn't mean me.)

Sane? Well, my sanity would be another topic.

Look, Traveler, I'm not going to go back & forth with you. My point was that your thread title doesn't match the content of your rant. That's all I was saying. :shrug:
 
JB in SC said:
In the bigger scheme it is a bit ludicrous to claim oneself is a different gender. A person can change their name, wear clothing appropriate for the other gender, have surgery, still doesn't mean a person biologically becomes a different gender. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it. A person can do what they like as long as it's not harming others, but doesn't change the biologic fact.
Click to expand...

Agree.
 
Olivia said:
Meaning of GENDER which is not simply or even necessarily biological.
Click to expand...

Gender roles certainly have changed quite a bit over the last twenty years. However, using male or female gender as a sexual reference has been common since the 14th century.
 
JB in SC said:
Gender roles certainly have changed quite a bit over the last twenty years. However, using male or female gender as a sexual reference has been common since the 14th century.
Click to expand...

When you say "since" the 14th century, doesn't really prove that that same usage is the same now as then. If you have a reference for that, I would be interested in seeing it, because of course I am more than happy to be corrected. I just found and posted what I have understood to be currently true.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top