What are unvaccinated people thinking?

win231 said:
You have it a bit backwards. It is not the unvaccinated who are rude; it's the vaccinated who are rude & always trying to convince others to do as they do. That comes from their own shaky confidence in the vaccine as well as their need to feel superior.
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I try to talk people I care about to get the vaccine. I don't need to say more about that.

Our son had Covid 19 a year ago last March, he often reacts poorly to anything in a needle, refuses the flu shots. However he got the vaccine he said he sure doesn't want Covid 19 again. He still has some of the after effects from the first time.

About the speed that the vaccine was produced. There have been other Covids and vaccines for those. So all they had to do was make it for Covid 19 and test it.

Since I have COPD I got the vaccine, why tempt the fates, I would like to live out my life span without letting Covid 19 kill me.
 

Irwin said:
Your opinion isn't supported by facts.

Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

There are plenty more sources out there.
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Without citing any sources, or even relating it to the COVID-19 pandemic, common sense tells all of us that masks are of benefit in not spreading or contracting illnesses.

If I have a bad cold, sore throat, coughing, runny/stuffed nose, sneezing, etc., and I sit in a room with perfectly healthy people, but I wear a mask, chances are they will leave the room without having been infected by me and my bad cold. If I go into a room full of people who have bad colds, and I wear a mask to protect myself, chances are good I will avoid being infected with their colds.
 
mrstime said:
I try to talk people I care about to get the vaccine. I don't need to say more about that.

Our son had Covid 19 a year ago last March, he often reacts poorly to anything in a needle, refuses the flu shots. However he got the vaccine he said he sure doesn't want Covid 19 again. He still has some of the after effects from the first time.

About the speed that the vaccine was produced. There have been other Covids and vaccines for those. So all they had to do was make it for Covid 19 and test it.

Since I have COPD I got the vaccine, why tempt the fates, I would like to live out my life span without letting Covid 19 kill me.
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You're a wise lady, and you've raised your son well.
 

SeaBreeze said:
I think it's the same as people who die from getting the flu. They may have had weak immune systems to begin with, perhaps they were sickly or older and their lungs weren't in great condition any more. But from what I understand, most who died from the flu, died because it developed into pneumonia, and that is what ended up actually killing them. However, if those victims never were infected by influenza, they would like still be alive today.

I imagine that some who got COVID-19 may have died due to the effects it had on their body, and if they didn't get the coronavirus infection, they would still be alive today. So, directly or indirectly, COVID-19 was responsible for their dying.
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Those who don't believe the numbers of Covid deaths are not thinking about deaths due to the effects it had on their body.
They are referring to deaths caused by traffic accidents & other causes that have absolutely nothing to do with Covid. They'll test for Covid (using their unreliable Covid test) & if it's positive, they'll list the cause of death as Covid.
 
Irwin said:
Your opinion isn't supported by facts.

Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

There are plenty more sources out there.
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Congratulations, you just changed the debate. You said, and I quote, “That’s why there's a spike in covid-19 cases.” I asked you to provide evidence for that claim. Instead, you provided general links to pro mask articles.

Just about everything I read says the spike is primarily due to the delta variant. For example:

https://www.newsweek.com/four-states-seeing-major-spikes-covid-cases-due-delta-variant-1611437

Switching the debate ain’t cool.

PS: I never said my opinion was supported by facts. I was answering a personal question that another poster asked of me. That said, I’m highly suspicious of any “facts” coming out of the government or the media. Their track record for competence, honesty, objectivity, and fairness is abysmal.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-Sydneys-shock-young-coronavirus-victim.html

“Takara, was living in Sydney's CBD with her boyfriend and on the cusp of finishing her graduate degree in accounting at the Kaplan Business School.

One of their housemates was a nurse who recently tested positive for Covid, a friend claimed on Facebook, sending the unvaccinated couple who would later test positive into isolation. “

No where in the articles is there a mention of her being a doctor. She was working on her Masters in a business program.
 
Jules said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-Sydneys-shock-young-coronavirus-victim.html

“Takara, was living in Sydney's CBD with her boyfriend and on the cusp of finishing her graduate degree in accounting at the Kaplan Business School.

One of their housemates was a nurse who recently tested positive for Covid, a friend claimed on Facebook, sending the unvaccinated couple who would later test positive into isolation. “

No where in the articles is there a mention of her being a doctor. She was working on her Masters in a business program.
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@Jules it was mentioned on the nightly news at 5 pm last night she was a Doctor, I should know better not take things stated on the news as being 100% correct
 
OscarW said:
Congratulations, you just changed the debate. You said, and I quote, “That’s why there's a spike in covid-19 cases.” I asked you to provide evidence for that claim. Instead, you provided general links to pro mask articles.

Just about everything I read says the spike is primarily due to the delta variant. For example:

https://www.newsweek.com/four-states-seeing-major-spikes-covid-cases-due-delta-variant-1611437

Switching the debate ain’t cool.

PS: I never said my opinion was supported by facts. I was answering a personal question that another poster asked of me. That said, I’m highly suspicious of any “facts” coming out of the government or the media. Their track record for competence, honesty, objectivity, and fairness is abysmal.
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No, you claimed that masks don't work. This is the post you made that I was responding to:
Almost never because I don't believe they work. I view masks as a placebo that gives people a false sense of security.

I understand my opinion is not wildly shared.
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rgp said:
The pandemic may be about we. But "I" already have heart disease , and there is a small percentage chance that the vaccine causes innflamation "in" the heart, and a possible buildup of calcium as well.
I choose not to roll that dice.

So yes, my main concern is "I".

You do what ever it is you need to for you .......... And I will do the same for myself.
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I agree with you 100%. I also have heart disease and have had bad reactions to most medications all my life. I’ll be 75 years old before long and really can’t afford to take the chance.
 
JonDouglas said:
I read somewhere (Reuters, I think) that there were 915 "covid-related" deaths in Australia out of a population of 25.36 million. That would be about 0.004% or 4 thousandths of one percent. That seems pretty small and I wondered what pre-covid flu deaths stats were like and I found this in ASPI:

It’s hard to come by data on the number of virus-related deaths in Australia pre-Covid, other than those related to influenza and pneumonia. In 2010 there were 2,373 deaths, in 2014, 2,879 deaths and in 2019, 4,124 deaths.​
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What am I missing here? It seems like earlier years were far worse. Were there lockdowns and masking in prior years? If not, why all the drama this time?
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I can corroborate. I saw something similar only that Australia had, most recently, 914 CASES and 1 death, and with these stats they are going into a lockdown - again. I think that was the point of it.
 
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If Covid Alpha was a disease of the elderly, it looks like Cocid Delta is cutting down the young. In Australia that is because by now most of the seniors have been vaccinated but vaccines have been rationed. The young have been a lot further down the priority list. it is the unvaccinated who are becoming infected and passing it on to members of their household and their friends and work colleagues.
 
Ladybug said:
I agree with you 100%. I also have heart disease and have had bad reactions to most medications all my life. I’ll be 75 years old before long and really can’t afford to take the chance.
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Or it could mean the opposite, Ladybug. Many of the people who have died of Covid were already weakened, either by old age or preexisting conditions, or both. So your heart disease could mean that getting the disease could easily finish you off. The vaccine will not.

Something like 99% of the deaths from Covid have been in unvaccinated individuals. And heart disease of one kind of another is very common in older folks. We all have it, to one extent or another. Yet we've (nearly) all been vaccinated. One conversation I hear a lot around here is, "Which cardiologist do you go to?" I have never heard of any cardiologist, or any other physician, recommend against getting the vaccine because it might kill them due to their physical ailments. (Maybe some people are actually allergic to the vaccine, though I've never met or heard of one.)

To the contrary, every doctor I've gone to in the last few months asked, first thing, "Have you been vaccinated yet?" and when I told them I was one of the first, in Jan.-Feb., they all said, "Good." So, is the entire medical profession in some vast conspiracy to kill off as many humans as possible? That's what some on this forum would have you believe.

Sweep the political propaganda out, clear your brain, and use your common sense to save your own life, or to save yourself from a horrible illness with devastating side effects that can last for months! And this is not an overstatement; it's the simple truth.
 
Only thing I got to say. When you are born God gives you so many years, days, minutes & seconds to live. Some die young, others get to 100. So no matter what you do, you can't cheat God out of his plan for you. Some survive Conav-19 & others don't. Their time was up.
 
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“In 1736 I lost one of my sons a fine Boy of 4 years old, by the Small Pox. . . . I long regretted bitterly & still regret that I had not given it to him by Inoculation; This I mention for the Sake of Parents, who omit that Operation on the Supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a Child died under it; my Example showing that the Regret may be the same either way; and that therefore the safer should be chosen.” - Benjamin Franklin
 
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