What's With All This Sexual Harassment Stuff Going On?

"Calling them all liars without any type of investigation makes you a part of the problem. "There are two sides!" "

And believing ALL the accusers , without same investigation....leading to any sort of evidence/proof .....solves the problem ?

Show me proof, & or an admission of guilt & for sure I'd say punish them accordingly,.. Without that? it is just fodder for the tabloids.

If it is a legal charge ? Investigation is the decision of the prosecutor , if he/she sees no evidence? of a crime, tax-payer dollars are better spent elsewhere.

If it is a work site incident ? company management may well choose to continue with the business at hand. And that is their call.
 

Camper6 said:
Just finished reading through this thread (slow snowy afternoon). What an EYEOPENER! I appreciate all the intelligent female commentaries on the subject. I am disappointed there aren't more men posting that understand women. I know they exist and am thankful to have them in my life. After a 35 year career in a mostly male dominated field I have had my fill of jerks.

There aren't more men posting that understand women because there simply isn't any.:dunno:

For instance Garrison Kieler was a known groper.

So? You all knew that and you put up with it?

That's what I don't understand. You knew it but did nothing about it until now.? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Here's the way I look at it. Call me on it.

You put up with it and then wait until your career is furthered and complain about it now?

Forgive me but that's almost like prostitution in another form.

I'm going to be raked over the coals for this but I don't care. That's the the way I feel about all these revelations now instead of then.

Faked outrage.
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Power dynamics are at work, pun intended. In many cases, the improper behaviour was carried out by powerful figures, often abetted by underlings. Fear is a powerful motivator to keep silent. Ridicule, loss of job, being blackballed, shame, disbelief, these are things which many victims face. I know from personal experience. I spent almost a decade striving for a PhD in my chosen profession. One word from my “mentor, aka violator,” would have trashed that completely. You bet, I chose to remain silent.
 
Camper6 said:
Just finished reading through this thread (slow snowy afternoon). What an EYEOPENER! I appreciate all the intelligent female commentaries on the subject. I am disappointed there aren't more men posting that understand women. I know they exist and am thankful to have them in my life. After a 35 year career in a mostly male dominated field I have had my fill of jerks.

There aren't more men posting that understand women because there simply isn't any.:dunno:

For instance Garrison Kieler was a known groper.

So? You all knew that and you put up with it?

That's what I don't understand. You knew it but did nothing about it until now.? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Here's the way I look at it. Call me on it.

You put up with it and then wait until your career is furthered and complain about it now?

Forgive me but that's almost like prostitution in another form.

I'm going to be raked over the coals for this but I don't care. That's the the way I feel about all these revelations now instead of then.

Faked outrage.
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Agreed !
 

Interesting thread. I hadn't visited it for some time until today.

It's almost a microcosm of how abuse works, with mostly women talking about what it's like to live with abuse and oppression, and a couple of men trying to control the narrative and make sure everyone thinks everything is just peachy keen, there is no abuse and women are imagining everything.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Interesting thread. I hadn't visited it for some time until today.

It's almost a microcosm of how abuse works, with mostly women talking about what it's like to live with abuse and oppression, and a couple of men trying to control the narrative and make sure everyone thinks everything is just peachy keen, there is no abuse and women are imagining everything.
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I dont see it that way. It s all one sided.
 
What ever happened years ago comes down to a he said/she said. When you have multiple "she saids", it does change the equation. So, what do we do, now ? Where is the line? Keeping in mind, there will be workplace sex. I once attended a meeting with six members. Four of those members were having affairs.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Interesting thread. I hadn't visited it for some time until today.

It's almost a microcosm of how abuse works, with mostly women talking about what it's like to live with abuse and oppression, and a couple of men trying to control the narrative and make sure everyone thinks everything is just peachy keen, there is no abuse and women are imagining everything.
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Absolutely.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Interesting thread. I hadn't visited it for some time until today.

It's almost a microcosm of how abuse works, with mostly women talking about what it's like to live with abuse and oppression, and a couple of men trying to control the narrative and make sure everyone thinks everything is just peachy keen, there is no abuse and women are imagining everything.
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Another way of looking at the above - offering an alternative view is labeled "trying to control the narrative". And offer things in absolute terms while being accusatory towards anyone not accepting the absolute.

Yes, men will use their position to "get some". and women will use their feminine ways to advance themselves. Right?? Nope - but real, on both sides.
 
I dated a guy years ago who was a clinical psychologist. He always refuted any argument that involved requiring legal proof, saying that stuff belonged to the courts, not human interactions. I had spent too much time around lawyers and had begun to think that legal proof was some fundamental part of belief, but it isn't.

These guys who assault women at work don't call in a team of videographers to record it. Unless they rape her, there's not likely to be any physical evidence, DNA or whatever. So let's happily pretend it never happened because there isn't any proof.

The constant there's no proof litany plays a very large part in controlling the narrative. I believe many things about which I have no proof, and I'm sure you do too. Why draw the line here? Why not say you're never going to believe anything unless you see proof. That should make for an interesting life.

When you go out to get in your car tomorrow and discover someone smashed it during the night, just remember there's no damage because there's no proof. I like it. Works for me.
 
Smiling Jane said:
I dated a guy years ago who was a clinical psychologist. He always refuted any argument that involved requiring legal proof, saying that stuff belonged to the courts, not human interactions. I had spent too much time around lawyers and had begun to think that legal proof was some fundamental part of belief, but it isn't.

These guys who assault women at work don't call in a team of videographers to record it. Unless they rape her, there's not likely to be any physical evidence, DNA or whatever. So let's happily pretend it never happened because there isn't any proof.

The constant there's no proof litany plays a very large part in controlling the narrative. I believe many things about which I have no proof, and I'm sure you do too. Why draw the line here? Why not say you're never going to believe anything unless you see proof. That should make for an interesting life.

When you go out to get in your car tomorrow and discover someone smashed it during the night, just remember there's no damage because there's no proof. I like it. Works for me.
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Would you prefer that if a woman claims it and a man denies it - she is right? Let's reverse that, he says "She asked for it"; she says, "No I didn't" - ergo, she did.

See what I mean, proof is a useful tool.
 
"These guys who assault women at work don't call in a team of videographers to record it. Unless they rape her, there's not likely to be any physical evidence, DNA or whatever. So let's happily pretend it never happened because there isn't any proof."

So then conversely we should what ? Assume / pretend that it did....just on accusation alone ?

"When you go out to get in your car tomorrow and discover someone smashed it during the night, just remember there's no damage because there's no proof. I like it. Works for me."

 That doesn't even make sense ! The damage IS proof....of it being 'smashed' anyway....no proof of who did it however.
 
About Garrison Keillor being a "known groper," maybe my friends and I are a bit dim, but we were all genuinely shocked when we saw the accusations against him. The universal response was, "Garrison KEILLOR?" We all pretty much bought into his kindly uncle persona.
 
Sunny said:
About Garrison Keillor being a "known groper," maybe my friends and I are a bit dim, but we were all genuinely shocked when we saw the accusations against him. The universal response was, "Garrison KEILLOR?" We all pretty much bought into his kindly uncle persona.
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I can relate to that. I happened to catch a few of his folksy stories and I loved them.
However, I am not of a mind to grant licence to talented individuals.
When I hear, for example, that a favourite writer is a pederast, I stop reading his work.
Same goes for favourite entertainers.
If they use their popularity to treat unsuspecting women as object, I am glad when they are exposed.
Glad but disappointed at the same time.
 
[h=1]Celebrity Chef Mario Batali Will 'Step Away' From Company After Sexual Misconduct Allegations[/h]
Mario admits and apologizes:

“Although the identities of most of the individuals mentioned in these stories have not been revealed to me, much of the behavior described does, in fact, match up with ways I have acted. That behavior was wrong and there are no excuses. I take full responsibility and am deeply sorry for any pain, humiliation or discomfort I have caused to my peers, employees, customers, friends and family,” Batali told Eater. “We built these restaurants so that our guests could have fun and indulge, but I took that too far in my own behavior. I won’t make that mistake again. I want any place I am associated with to feel comfortable and safe for the people who work or dine there.”

http://time.com/5058284/mario-batali-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

I read ABC has asked him to leave the program "ABC's The Chew". I thought he was a great host there and feel sad about this.
 
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