sarnialass
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I am of the opinion all gods are human creations.
Who is God the Father? Zeus, Jupiter, Thor, the great “I AM”, or the man in the moon
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Aneeda72
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Knight,
Well, yes, which is why I said gods in the title-there has to be more than one, IMO. I was surprised that no one on the forum has yet brought up another god. The LDS faith/religion in the world is huge and growing. They use the Book of Mormon not the Bible. They worship God the Father. But is this the same God the father the Christian and Jewish religions worship?
As for “us” gaining knowledge and living forever that’s really interesting. Does this passage refer to the entire human race living forever and not the individuals who make up the human race? (The human race would live forever as we procreate.). The afterlife could simply mean the children who live after us, therefore, we-the human race-lives forever.
The other human races, such as humans of the Big Bang, descendent of apes, or whatever, either die off or mingle with the humans of the creations of gods and become one human race which lives forever through their children. This lets both believers and non-believers be right and wrong together. Lol.
My son with Down syndrome is genetically different from humans without DS. But all people with Down’s syndrome have this genetic difference, the same basic features, and look very much alike. It is not hard to believe that they were a different race in the beginning.
It just gets more and more interesting.
Well, yes, which is why I said gods in the title-there has to be more than one, IMO. I was surprised that no one on the forum has yet brought up another god. The LDS faith/religion in the world is huge and growing. They use the Book of Mormon not the Bible. They worship God the Father. But is this the same God the father the Christian and Jewish religions worship?
As for “us” gaining knowledge and living forever that’s really interesting. Does this passage refer to the entire human race living forever and not the individuals who make up the human race? (The human race would live forever as we procreate.). The afterlife could simply mean the children who live after us, therefore, we-the human race-lives forever.
The other human races, such as humans of the Big Bang, descendent of apes, or whatever, either die off or mingle with the humans of the creations of gods and become one human race which lives forever through their children. This lets both believers and non-believers be right and wrong together. Lol.
My son with Down syndrome is genetically different from humans without DS. But all people with Down’s syndrome have this genetic difference, the same basic features, and look very much alike. It is not hard to believe that they were a different race in the beginning.
It just gets more and more interesting.
I prefer ‘goddess’ thank you. :yes:
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I believe there is a creator and what was created on this planet was dinosaurs that existed for millions of years. After they were destroyed man evolved. The Earth created in just a few days?! How can anyone believe such nonsense? Man was given a brain to use to reason and question. Religion does not allow either.
Aneeda72
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Sigh. Fmdog44, how can you question the existence of god and religion, then squeeze yourself in a tiny little box and declare earth couldn’t be created in just a few days? How long were the days during the time of creation? When were the sun and moon created?-our current method of marking time.
Plus, if man was “given” a brain to reason and question, who gave him the brain? A, hmm, GOD? LOL, sorry couldn’t resist. Forgive me, my joke could have been so much worst. Really, a lot worst. I keep myself to kindergarten rules as well.
We have a brain to love, laugh, grieve, see, hear, and experience the world with joy and sorrow in our hearts and souls. One of my to be adopted sons was born with a brain stem, and a fluid filled sack in his head-hydrocephalus- a very extreme case. No brain to interpret the world around him. He lived one year.
While some of us are able to reason and question, many cannot. Think of all the mentally retarded and mentally impaired millions in the world who cannot, for several reasons, reason in the way you mean. Let alone question why they go hungry and die with only God by their side for without God they would be truly alone. Do we condemn them to a world of non-belief?
Keep in mind, that I agree with you about many religions. Some religions do not allow the freedom to question, to inquire, to dislike in any way of their required systems of belief. But some do. Everyone chooses the religion that suits their needs the most. But, as I keep saying, the gods, or God, is NOT a religion. While you may discuss religion here, this is not a discussion about religion. This is a discussion about who are the gods?
Plus, if man was “given” a brain to reason and question, who gave him the brain? A, hmm, GOD? LOL, sorry couldn’t resist. Forgive me, my joke could have been so much worst. Really, a lot worst. I keep myself to kindergarten rules as well.
We have a brain to love, laugh, grieve, see, hear, and experience the world with joy and sorrow in our hearts and souls. One of my to be adopted sons was born with a brain stem, and a fluid filled sack in his head-hydrocephalus- a very extreme case. No brain to interpret the world around him. He lived one year.
While some of us are able to reason and question, many cannot. Think of all the mentally retarded and mentally impaired millions in the world who cannot, for several reasons, reason in the way you mean. Let alone question why they go hungry and die with only God by their side for without God they would be truly alone. Do we condemn them to a world of non-belief?
Keep in mind, that I agree with you about many religions. Some religions do not allow the freedom to question, to inquire, to dislike in any way of their required systems of belief. But some do. Everyone chooses the religion that suits their needs the most. But, as I keep saying, the gods, or God, is NOT a religion. While you may discuss religion here, this is not a discussion about religion. This is a discussion about who are the gods?
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I go with the Nordic bunch....I've always had a crush on Thor!
fmdog44
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And mankind decides what is God? Sorry, but the roast does not make the chef. You have not the slightest clue about the creator rather only what like followers tell you on Sunday. You must never dictate to others about what you think.
Said the kettle to the pot.
Aneeda72
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Fmdog44,
I was not dictating. You are not a captive audience tied to a chair in a dark dank room hanging on my every word for a bowl of cold nasty soup. Lol. You are free to read or not to read what I write, as is everyone else. Nor did I accuse you of dictating your opinion. As I am free to read or not read it; respond or not respond. We are simply sharing our opinions.
I don’t go to church, as I have said I am a non-practicing Catholic. As to my not having the slightest clue as to who the creator is, was, or might be, yup, you nailed it-I don’t. I am old, but not that old. I was not there when the earth was created. I did not observe the Big Bang or any other form of creation, except you know, I was there when I got pregnant. But, hmm, I wasn’t an observer.
Does mankind decide what or who is god? A interesting question and IMO, yes. Historically, mankind has decided what is god and who is god. IMO, mankind still does decide this. After all, it was a segment of mankind that decided to crucify JC. Another segment of mankind did the deed. (There was a choice between JC and one other guy).
Two different religious groups, The Romans and the Jews, conspired to end the life of JC. Had JC not died, he wouldn’t have ascended. Had he not ascended; he would not have achieved godhood. Had JC not achieved godhood; the Christian religion would not have been born. Fate or the hand of god the father? Another thing I just don’t know.
One of my sons, who has an IQ of 53, believes in god. He never attends church, but he believes in god. He doesn’t read so no bible. He doesn’t go to church so no learning there. Basically, he learned about god from movies and tv. When he is sick, he asks me to pray for him. I’m am believer, I pray for him. He is a true believer with a pure soul, his belief is blind faith.
He doesn’t know who or what god is. He doesn’t question like we do. A non-believer could not convince him, or anyone like him, that there is no god. Although, I will not be there he will not die alone.
I was not dictating. You are not a captive audience tied to a chair in a dark dank room hanging on my every word for a bowl of cold nasty soup. Lol. You are free to read or not to read what I write, as is everyone else. Nor did I accuse you of dictating your opinion. As I am free to read or not read it; respond or not respond. We are simply sharing our opinions.
I don’t go to church, as I have said I am a non-practicing Catholic. As to my not having the slightest clue as to who the creator is, was, or might be, yup, you nailed it-I don’t. I am old, but not that old. I was not there when the earth was created. I did not observe the Big Bang or any other form of creation, except you know, I was there when I got pregnant. But, hmm, I wasn’t an observer.
Does mankind decide what or who is god? A interesting question and IMO, yes. Historically, mankind has decided what is god and who is god. IMO, mankind still does decide this. After all, it was a segment of mankind that decided to crucify JC. Another segment of mankind did the deed. (There was a choice between JC and one other guy).
Two different religious groups, The Romans and the Jews, conspired to end the life of JC. Had JC not died, he wouldn’t have ascended. Had he not ascended; he would not have achieved godhood. Had JC not achieved godhood; the Christian religion would not have been born. Fate or the hand of god the father? Another thing I just don’t know.
One of my sons, who has an IQ of 53, believes in god. He never attends church, but he believes in god. He doesn’t read so no bible. He doesn’t go to church so no learning there. Basically, he learned about god from movies and tv. When he is sick, he asks me to pray for him. I’m am believer, I pray for him. He is a true believer with a pure soul, his belief is blind faith.
He doesn’t know who or what god is. He doesn’t question like we do. A non-believer could not convince him, or anyone like him, that there is no god. Although, I will not be there he will not die alone.
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He is an intuitive faith, in some ways the purest kind.
Aneeda72
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I did not say that the Jewish people were responsible for the death of Christ. I did not say that the Romans were responsible for the death of Christ. Please do not put words in my mouth.
In fact, it’s a non point that you have made, IMO. The responsibility, for the death of JC, rest solely with the father of JC, and JC himself. I believe I mentioned that. Both of the mentioned groups were there. Both of the mentioned groups wanted JC dead, both of the groups talked together about it (conspired), and, IMO, both groups figured out how to accomplish the deed. I could be wrong. It’s my opinion, not a craved in stone pronouncement. Again, I wasn’t there.
But neither of the groups I mentioned or groups that might have been there and I didn’t mention matter. JC had to die. The key to the whole thing is that Jesus Christ had to die. He could have been bitten by a infected bat, during a sermon, and died in full view of his followers. Would have worked just as well as far as I am concerned. Being crucified wasn’t special.
(As a side note, I don’t mean to be insensitive , but I have no ideal what the Holocaust has to do with this thread.)
In fact, it’s a non point that you have made, IMO. The responsibility, for the death of JC, rest solely with the father of JC, and JC himself. I believe I mentioned that. Both of the mentioned groups were there. Both of the mentioned groups wanted JC dead, both of the groups talked together about it (conspired), and, IMO, both groups figured out how to accomplish the deed. I could be wrong. It’s my opinion, not a craved in stone pronouncement. Again, I wasn’t there.
But neither of the groups I mentioned or groups that might have been there and I didn’t mention matter. JC had to die. The key to the whole thing is that Jesus Christ had to die. He could have been bitten by a infected bat, during a sermon, and died in full view of his followers. Would have worked just as well as far as I am concerned. Being crucified wasn’t special.
(As a side note, I don’t mean to be insensitive , but I have no ideal what the Holocaust has to do with this thread.)
"As a side note, I don’t mean to be insensitive , but I have no ideal what the Holocaust has to do with this thread."
I was reacting to a quote by you, in this thread, that was copied verbatim. Doesn't hurt to remember those who died as a direct result of that quote (in this thread) throughout history, especially as yesterday actually was Holocaust Remembrance Day. No need to get defensive.
I was reacting to a quote by you, in this thread, that was copied verbatim. Doesn't hurt to remember those who died as a direct result of that quote (in this thread) throughout history, especially as yesterday actually was Holocaust Remembrance Day. No need to get defensive.
Aneeda72
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Pepper,
Off topic, but I want to respond. It always amazes when people who don’t know you pass judgement on how they think you feel. I’ve noticed this happens quite a bit in real life and on forms. This is only the second forum I’ve been on but I notice a certain tendency towards judgement by a certain few people. I judge people as well.
You either misread what I wrote, misunderstood what I wrote, or simply didn’t care what I wrote since you had your own agenda. You, after all, did not include anything concerning my comment about the Romans in your comments. Apparently, you are not a fan of the Romans of biblical times, and the gods they worshiped.
Obviously, your posting had nothing to do with this thread, and that’s fine. However, if you are Jewish I would like you to join the discussion on this thread, and add information about the god/gods you believe in, a god I know only through the Old Testament and, yup, Jewish relatives. As for my being defensive, I’m not.
The person who died as a direct result of my quote was Jesus Christ. JC had nothing to do with the death of anyone but himself.
My suggestion is you could start a remembrance thread. You could post a remembrance for our troops who died when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I lost quite a few family members to WWII. How about a remembrance for those how died when we dropped two big nasty bombs on Japan.
A remembrance for when the Germans killed a massive amount of other innocent people. Let’s not focus on just one group. Let’s not blame JC for all those WWII deaths caused by an insane fool named HILTER.
Yup, you caught me at a bad moment. Daughter and family moving out of state, husband dying of lung cancer, having to sell my house, and downsize. Wondering how I will survive it all, and explain it all to my two mentally retarded sons. Yup, a truly crappy time in my life. Defensive? Nope. Just really pissed off at the world. Pardon my language. Done venting. Start your own thread, I promise to make random nonsensical comments on it.
Apparently, I am not done venting after all, lol.
Off topic, but I want to respond. It always amazes when people who don’t know you pass judgement on how they think you feel. I’ve noticed this happens quite a bit in real life and on forms. This is only the second forum I’ve been on but I notice a certain tendency towards judgement by a certain few people. I judge people as well.
You either misread what I wrote, misunderstood what I wrote, or simply didn’t care what I wrote since you had your own agenda. You, after all, did not include anything concerning my comment about the Romans in your comments. Apparently, you are not a fan of the Romans of biblical times, and the gods they worshiped.
Obviously, your posting had nothing to do with this thread, and that’s fine. However, if you are Jewish I would like you to join the discussion on this thread, and add information about the god/gods you believe in, a god I know only through the Old Testament and, yup, Jewish relatives. As for my being defensive, I’m not.
The person who died as a direct result of my quote was Jesus Christ. JC had nothing to do with the death of anyone but himself.
My suggestion is you could start a remembrance thread. You could post a remembrance for our troops who died when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I lost quite a few family members to WWII. How about a remembrance for those how died when we dropped two big nasty bombs on Japan.
A remembrance for when the Germans killed a massive amount of other innocent people. Let’s not focus on just one group. Let’s not blame JC for all those WWII deaths caused by an insane fool named HILTER.
Yup, you caught me at a bad moment. Daughter and family moving out of state, husband dying of lung cancer, having to sell my house, and downsize. Wondering how I will survive it all, and explain it all to my two mentally retarded sons. Yup, a truly crappy time in my life. Defensive? Nope. Just really pissed off at the world. Pardon my language. Done venting. Start your own thread, I promise to make random nonsensical comments on it.
Apparently, I am not done venting after all, lol.
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I am drawn to the feminine face of the divine, in whatever manifestation that may be. A loving, nurturing being. Call her what you will.
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Proverbs Ch 8 is a very poetic description of Wisdom.
Wisdom is personified as female and is given divine attributes.
Worth a read and a few minutes reflection.
Wisdom is personified as female and is given divine attributes.
Worth a read and a few minutes reflection.
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Thanks Warri, I will check it out.
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Shalimar
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I respect your opinion, Lara, but I have a different perspective here.
oops, just read your adjusted post. No, not really, the love I referenced was not an earthly love.
oops, just read your adjusted post. No, not really, the love I referenced was not an earthly love.
So, this has apparently morphed into a discussion of Greek gods and goddesses (I was kidding when I wrote my comment in #256), and poetic rhapsodies about wisdom, etc. Boy, we've come a long way in this thread!
Here's a serious question, on the level: why do so many humans seem to need gods and goddesses? Belief in supernatural beings has been with us down through the ages. Gods, goddesses, ogres, witches, goblins, devils, imps, gnomes,spirits, fairies, you name it. We humans seem to be so frustrated with our own limitations that we keep inventing creatures who can do the things we cannot.
But to an educated mind, ALL of the supernatural creatures we have dreamed up are imaginary.
Here's a serious question, on the level: why do so many humans seem to need gods and goddesses? Belief in supernatural beings has been with us down through the ages. Gods, goddesses, ogres, witches, goblins, devils, imps, gnomes,spirits, fairies, you name it. We humans seem to be so frustrated with our own limitations that we keep inventing creatures who can do the things we cannot.
But to an educated mind, ALL of the supernatural creatures we have dreamed up are imaginary.
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With respect, Sunny, I have an educated mind, others here also. We may simply see things differently.
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Just to clarify the scripture in Proverbs 8 that Warrigal referred to...the personification of both wisdom and folly in the two different women is used for the purpose to present the benefits and judgement of both wisdom and folly. A woman of wisdom benefits her husband just as a woman of folly (flirtatious) destroys him. These words were written as a father to son using a powerful method to illustrate God's wisdom.
Reading these words in context provides a deeper understanding and application for life today. In chapter 9 it says to flee from folly and embrace wisdom.
Reading these words in context provides a deeper understanding and application for life today. In chapter 9 it says to flee from folly and embrace wisdom.