No, it's not a violent act. It's a stupid act.
Woman Assaulted in N.J. Staples Over Mask Issue
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Again, you're a gem.
Likewise. And you don't have a valid reply.
FastTrax
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Knight
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This was in post #1 the video Win231 posted
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If you watch carefully, the younger woman's mask was below her nose. The older woman not only confronts her but also raises her cane at her. Really stupid - both to confront someone over a mask, then threaten her with her cane (especially considering her health issues) She has a fractured leg & the younger woman probably won't be charged:"
What I saw
I saw the older woman making copies when the younger woman approached her from behind. The only visble confrontation was initiated by the younger woman.
Reasonable to turn around to see who it is. With no audio it's impossible to know what the younger woman was saying. But whatever it was once she turned around the older woman backed up putting distance between her & the younger woman. The younger woman still saying something and shaking her finger at the older woman, the distance between made it possible for the older woman to raise her cane for self defense.
Same video with two different thoughts about what they see.
If I saw someone with their mask not properly positioned I'd have no problem saying something. Unlike Win I don't see evil intent in the rest of America's population.
FastTrax obviously in Win's America we can't all get along.
Win saw this
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If you watch carefully, the younger woman's mask was below her nose. The older woman not only confronts her but also raises her cane at her. Really stupid - both to confront someone over a mask, then threaten her with her cane (especially considering her health issues) She has a fractured leg & the younger woman probably won't be charged:"
What I saw
I saw the older woman making copies when the younger woman approached her from behind. The only visble confrontation was initiated by the younger woman.
Reasonable to turn around to see who it is. With no audio it's impossible to know what the younger woman was saying. But whatever it was once she turned around the older woman backed up putting distance between her & the younger woman. The younger woman still saying something and shaking her finger at the older woman, the distance between made it possible for the older woman to raise her cane for self defense.
Same video with two different thoughts about what they see.
If I saw someone with their mask not properly positioned I'd have no problem saying something. Unlike Win I don't see evil intent in the rest of America's population.
FastTrax obviously in Win's America we can't all get along.
Win saw this
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If you watch carefully, the younger woman's mask was below her nose. The older woman not only confronts her but also raises her cane at her. Really stupid - both to confront someone over a mask, then threaten her with her cane (especially considering her health issues) She has a fractured leg & the younger woman probably won't be charged:"
What I saw
I saw the older woman making copies when the younger woman approached her from behind. The only visble confrontation was initiated by the younger woman.
Reasonable to turn around to see who it is. With no audio it's impossible to know what the younger woman was saying. But whatever it was once she turned around the older woman backed up putting distance between her & the younger woman. The younger woman still saying something and shaking her finger at the older woman, the distance between made it possible for the older woman to raise her cane for self defense.
Same video with two different thoughts about what they see.
If I saw someone with their mask not properly positioned I'd have no problem saying something. Unlike Win I don't see evil intent in the rest of America's population.
FastTrax obviously in Win's America we can't all get along.
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I see what's there. You are seeing only what you want to see. Even in the narrative at the beginning, the reporter says, "After the victim asked her to wear her mask correctly."
Watch the entire incident & at 1:20, you'll see the older woman start the confrontation by telling the younger woman to wear her mask correctly. Only then does the younger woman walk up to her & probably tell her to mind her own business. She was only assaulted when the older woman raised her cane up.
Anyone with common sense would know that the best way to keep someone (who's not wearing their mask correctly) away from them would be not to start an argument with them. Even less common sense: Threatening someone with a cane, which gives the other person the right to self defense.
If you would "have no problem confronting someone over a mask issue," feel free to do so....as long as you're willing to risk injury like the fool in the video. Not a smart way to spend our "Golden Years."
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If you watch carefully, the younger woman's mask was below her nose. The older woman not only confronts her but also raises her cane at her. Really stupid - both to confront someone over a mask, then threaten her with her cane (especially considering her health issues) She has a fractured leg & the younger woman probably won't be charged:"
What I saw
I saw the older woman making copies when the younger woman approached her from behind. The only visble confrontation was initiated by the younger woman.
Reasonable to turn around to see who it is. With no audio it's impossible to know what the younger woman was saying. But whatever it was once she turned around the older woman backed up putting distance between her & the younger woman. The younger woman still saying something and shaking her finger at the older woman, the distance between made it possible for the older woman to raise her cane for self defense.
Same video with two different thoughts about what they see.
If I saw someone with their mask not properly positioned I'd have no problem saying something. Unlike Win I don't see evil intent in the rest of America's population.
FastTrax obviously in Win's America we can't all get along.
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I see what's there. You are seeing only what you want to see. Even in the narrative at the beginning, the reporter says, "After the victim asked her to wear her mask correctly."
Watch the entire incident & at 1:20, you'll see the older woman start the confrontation by telling the younger woman to wear her mask correctly. Only then does the younger woman walk up to her & probably tell her to mind her own business. She was only assaulted when the older woman raised her cane up.
Anyone with common sense would know that the best way to keep someone (who's not wearing their mask correctly) away from them would be not to start an argument with them. Even less common sense: Threatening someone with a cane, which gives the other person the right to self defense.
If you would "have no problem confronting someone over a mask issue," feel free to do so....as long as you're willing to risk injury like the fool in the video. Not a smart way to spend our "Golden Years."
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FastTrax
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You're on point with this one but I'm not familiar with New Jerseys Penal Code & Criminal Procedure Law. All I know if a person committed a crime in NYP depending on where in the station it was either AMTRAK, Long Island Railroad, New Jersey Transit or NYPD Transit Division would take the collar and the persons release from Central Booking depended on a point system depending on the seriousness of the crime or the possibility of being a flight risk he could be released with a desk appearance ticket or DAT to appear in court at a later date. I don't think the point system applied to violent felonies which aggravated assault is a violent felony. I'm not familiar with the scoring system in New York City but if it's not a felony and he still didn't get enough points he would be remanded to Rikers island until he went to court to be arraigned. It doesn't sound like this in her case. The senior citizens charge won't hold because the victim is only 54 and cane or no cane unless she is actually disabled according to the Federal Disability law under the Social Security Administration policy that ain't gonna fly either. Maybe they're looking for her to cop a plea to a lesser charge with full restitution, court cost, paying the victims medical bills, community service, a hefty fine and probation, probably a restraining order too since they both live in Hackensack. Time will tell.
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Knight
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I did what you suggested looked at the video @ 1:20
Ahead of the 1:20 I saw the younger woman approach the older woman from the back. Touch the older woman on the back. The older woman turned and stepped back trapped unable to get away from the younger woman.
I'll ask you once you understand what the word confront means. Who initiated the confrontation? Who was hostile?
con·front
1: to face especially in challenge
2: to cause to meet : bring face-to-face
meet (someone) face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.
You almost sound racist by expecting the younger woman to automatically be aggressive because the victim asked her to wear her mask correctly.
LOL - "Racist." Feel free to confront anyone you want if you think it's a good idea. After all, free speech is guaranteed by the constitution.
Perhaps the get-well cards & flowers will be worth it.
Knight
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I've already done like the older woman did by asking some <---- as in more than one person, not confronting. I hope you understand the difference between asking and confronting. In case you don't. The older woman asked, the younger confronted in a hostile manner. The older woman in an interview stated she asked others & they complied. Why do you think the younger woman would act the way she did?
As for cards & flowers it's more likely my wife would get those upon my death caused by someone like the younger woman not wearing a mask properly than asking those that are ignorant to wear theirs properly.
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Since there was no sound on the video, you have no idea how the older woman spoke to the younger woman.
And, the interview with the older woman was one-sided. She wouldn't tell the truth unless it supported her actions or flattered her.
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Knight
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I think were even in agreeing sound would help. No sound but no confrontation by the older woman. But finger wagging and & seeing the younger woman's mouth moving, then confronting the older woman even you could see the difference in demeanor.
Yes, people are different. Which is why it's foolish to confront anyone. You know nothing about them & you have no idea how they will react, so you're rolling the dice.
Knight
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I think based on the video it's clear who the aggressor was. Also clear who initiated the confrontation. So now it's down to what legal consequences will happen.
Legal has two sides criminal & civil. I don't think the younger woman will get away without with some form of criminal charge or charges. Then I can imagine a personal injury lawyer seeking compensation for injuries & expenses.
What's your opinion win231?
Legal has two sides criminal & civil. I don't think the younger woman will get away without with some form of criminal charge or charges. Then I can imagine a personal injury lawyer seeking compensation for injuries & expenses.
What's your opinion win231?
She may be charged with assault but it's unlikely she'll be convicted. Had the older woman not raised her cane, the younger woman would be convicted - probably of felony assault with bodily injury. Until the older woman did that, it was only a verbal dispute. The older woman escalated the situation by threatening the younger woman with her cane.
The younger woman may also face a civil suit for damages, but I doubt either one of them can afford the legal expenses. I also doubt an attorney would take the older woman's case pro bono.
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Older woman is afraid of COVID cooties, yet she thinks it's okay to poke the younger woman with her nasty cane. Defending herself? 
I think not.
I think not.
Not that I'm defending the assault against the older woman at all, but I have to wonder: if she was that worried about Covid, what was she doing in a Staples? Is making copies worth taking that kind of risk, if she is immuno-compromised?
Just a side issue, but still.
Just a side issue, but still.
The fact she was even arrested shows that the police think a crime was committed. No bail is a sign of nothing. So long as she's not considered a flight risk there's no need for bail. They know where to find her. You've been wrong on this since the beginning and you continue to double down . I really think you're happy that somebody got hurt over a mask since you're obviously so anti mask. You're a gem.
I see what's there. You are seeing only what you want to see.
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HaHa so your the only one who can see the truth? I think you're seeing what you want to see.
Knight
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What was she supposed to do after the younger woman touched her while her back was turned. Visible but no audio the younger was shaking her hand & saying something that caused the older woman to back up and lift her cane. I didn't see the cane actually strike the older woman did you? FYI the covid-19 can kill. Cooties on the other hand are a body louse. Fear of dying from a body louse isn't what the older woman was concerned with.Older woman is afraid of COVID cooties, yet she thinks it's okay to poke the younger woman with her nasty cane. Defending herself?
What risk was she taking if others were complying with the recommendations? Has America decinded so low that asking someone to comply with actions that help contain the spread of the virus will end up in an attack?
I see an older woman doubly vulnerable going about her business as she has a right to do. Reasonably expecting others to comply with an action that is designed to help reduce the spread of covid-19. A verbal request to wear a mask properly turns into being attacked & physically harmed. Is this what the future of America is?
applecruncher
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I didn't hear the "verbal request" and neither did you. It could have been a threat followed by a poke with her cane, which is an assault.
Thank you. I know I'm a gem. And, if you think I'm happy that somebody got hurt over a mask, you're not much of a thinker.
I always wear my mask when it's required; whether I think it's useful or not. This incident is a legal issue; not a mask issue. But then.....knowing that would take thinking.