Up to 18 people shot at Walmart El Paso Texas

Warrigal, amen.

All this talk about mental illness is a desperate attempt by the NRA and its gun-worshiping followers to deflect attention from what is causing this tragedy. Yes, of course, there has always been (and probably always will be) mental illness. But mental illness exists in the rest of the world as well, not only in the U.S. So what is the one and only big difference? Why so many shootings - not only mass shootings but daily occurrences of single people being shot? Is it the mental illness that is firing bullets into people?
 

911 said:
So, now this case is closed. The shooter is dead and we can all move on, except the families of the victims. They must deal with the aftermath. The media can talk about closure all they want. On Sunday, I heard one reporter make the comment that there was instant closure when the shooter shot and killed himself.

The funerals haven’t even take place yet and some nitwit is talking about the families’ closure. Not so fast, Jellybean. We have to have the funeral, mourning and then a time for grieving. Would that be OK with you?

The worse part is, we will have to go through this again. How many more times is anyone’s guess. When and how will this madness end?
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Down here it doesn't feel like anything is closed ... it's 24/7 on TV and in the news. And then tomorrow the President will be there.
It seems like there is a feel of more involvement by the FBI in all the latest killings. Now they need to ACT on it.
 
We lived in Elpaso during my high school years and my father retired there, so I have been in that mall many times. It was always a busy thriving and very happy place. On a Saturday they would typically have had live entertainment for the shoppers.
It breaks my heart when things like this happen.
 

Sunny said:
Warrigal, amen.

All this talk about mental illness is a desperate attempt by the NRA and its gun-worshiping followers to deflect attention from what is causing this tragedy. Yes, of course, there has always been (and probably always will be) mental illness. But mental illness exists in the rest of the world as well, not only in the U.S. So what is the one and only big difference? Why so many shootings - not only mass shootings but daily occurrences of single people being shot? Is it the mental illness that is firing bullets into people?
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Consider the current reality. There are THOUSANDS of guns in the hands of racist, hate-filled, drugged-out crackpots NOW. How would more restrictions save any lives? What do you suggest we do about future mass shooters?
 
We obviously can't keep everyone from driving drunk but does anyone think removing the drunk driving laws would help or hurt that situation. Only an idiot would expect tougher gun laws to eliminate completely, the present killing epidemic sweeping the country but it would be a step in the right direction. None of us has any need for these semi-auto high capacity weapons. And I say "need". We might enjoy the thrill of pumping out rapid fire at the range, but if this type of weapon is becoming the favorite and weapon of choice for nuts who enjoy the killing of some segments of our population maybe we'd be better off removing them from that general population.

It's been done in other civilized societies and they're still standing - -why not here and spare us the continuing slaughter of innocents?
 
win231 said:
Consider the current reality. There are THOUSANDS of guns in the hands of racist, hate-filled, drugged-out crackpots NOW. How would more restrictions save any lives? What do you suggest we do about future mass shooters?
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As I said earlier, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging. What do we do about future mass shooters? How about if we STOP ARMING THEM!
 
The sad truth is .... I doubt we will ever stop it. There is just no way to do it. If a person is hell-bent on doing such a thing, there is no way to stop him. Incarcerate everybody that shows the first sign of mental imbalance? That'll never sell, besides we closed up all the asylums . Stop the sale of "those" weapons ? Won't make a dent, again a person hell-bent on doing it, will find a way, find a weapon.

IMO deterrent is the only option to try. When one of these killers is caught alive, such as El Paso , or Arizona [the one that shot the congress woman] ............ who by the way was standing there literally smoking gun in hand. Order the police to execute him immediately .

A trial is for the purpose of determining guilt or innocence , these people do not need a trial ..... period, they are guilty. So .... lets go straight to the penalty phase. If a potential killer is watching, sees this ? That might deter him, give him pause. Nothing else is working, removing guns ? that would take a thousand years, closer mental evaluation ? I myself know two teens in families that I think are way-the-hell out there ... should they be institutionalized ? Maybe, but they might be totally innocent as well. Should they be institutionalized on my word? No.

So again, lets go hard, harsh & swiftly after the ones that have committed such a thing, and perhaps send a message to those that might be inclined to do such a thing...........jmo
 
Wouldn't work, rgp. These nut cases already consider themselves heroes and martyrs, they are already prepared to die, and some of them take their own lives. Arming the entire population with assault rifles and then executing those who use them does not strike me as any kind of a solution whatsoever.

How about not arming people with assault rifles to begin with? What would be wrong with that?

(Sorry, my attempt to copy and paste a quote didn't work here, and I can't get rid of all that junk at the bottom. Just ignore.)
 

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Sunny said:
Wouldn't work, rgp. These nut cases already consider themselves heroes and martyrs, they are already prepared to die, and some of them take their own lives. Arming the entire population with assault rifles and then executing those who use them does not strike me as any kind of a solution whatsoever.

How about not arming people with assault rifles to begin with? What would be wrong with that?

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Agree with Sunny...like who needs an "assault rifle" except someone who's going to "assault". Its what Australia did and it sure seems to be working for them...know we aren't Australia, but seems like a good start...how could it hurt to do it ?
 
Sunny said:
Wouldn't work, rgp. These nut cases already consider themselves heroes and martyrs, they are already prepared to die, and some of them take their own lives. Arming the entire population with assault rifles and then executing those who use them does not strike me as any kind of a solution whatsoever.

How about not arming people with assault rifles to begin with? What would be wrong with that?

(Sorry, my attempt to copy and paste a quote didn't work here, and I can't get rid of all that junk at the bottom. Just ignore.)
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Won't work Sunny .......... too many assault style rifles already out there. Stopping sales of new ones will do nothing, except stroke the egos of folks such as yourself. Ah we did something ..... when in fact , nothing was done.
 
Liberty said:
Agree with Sunny...like who needs an "assault rifle" except someone who's going to "assault". Its what Australia did and it sure seems to be working for them...know we aren't Australia, but seems like a good start...how could it hurt to do it ?
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Who needs an assault car ? Let's ban those as well, after all assault cars kill more people every year than assault rifles. To bad we didn't ban assault pressure cookers , all those in Boston would have been saved as well.

Rapid fire weapons , & rapid fire shooting is a sport within a sport. The skill of shooting in that manner, accurately at a shooting range target. Why should their sport be hindered,diminished? I'm not a shooter, but have friends that are. One of them annoys his wife because he won't even step on spiders. If he sees one in the house ? he carries it outside. Not exactly a violent man.

Again, a better start would be swift,exacting capture , prosecution , and punishment of those caught and known to be guilty.
 
I have to wonder how many of the mass shooters have acquired the weapon they used? Somehow I don't see them walking into a gun shop and asking for an automatic weapon. :unsure:

My belief is that there are too many active hate groups easily accessed on the internet, that give loners/weirdos a place to congregate and get crazier than they already are. So shut down the hate sites and eliminate the "dark web".
 
C'est Moi said:
I have to wonder how many of the mass shooters have acquired the weapon they used? Somehow I don't see them walking into a gun shop and asking for an automatic weapon. :unsure:

My belief is that there are too many active hate groups easily accessed on the internet, that give loners/weirdos a place to congregate and get crazier than they already are. So shut down the hate sites and eliminate the "dark web".
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In most cases the weapons were obtained legally, including both weapons used in this past weekends massacres.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...g-guns-legal-rifles-high-capacity/1922290001/
 
Sunny said:
Wouldn't work, rgp. These nut cases already consider themselves heroes and martyrs, they are already prepared to die, and some of them take their own lives. Arming the entire population with assault rifles and then executing those who use them does not strike me as any kind of a solution whatsoever.

How about not arming people with assault rifles to begin with? What would be wrong with that?

(Sorry, my attempt to copy and paste a quote didn't work here, and I can't get rid of all that junk at the bottom. Just ignore.)
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Won't work Sunny.....they want to die their way! Take away their way .... and show it, show that it will be taken, and that they will not have complete control ...and they might just re-think what they want. A much more swiftly applicable approach..........jmo
 
rgp said:
Who needs an assault car ? Let's ban those as well, after all assault cars kill more people every year than assault rifles. To bad we didn't ban assault pressure cookers , all those in Boston would have been saved as well.



Rapid fire weapons , & rapid fire shooting is a sport within a sport. The skill of shooting in that manner, accurately at a shooting range target. Why should their sport be hindered,diminished? I'm not a shooter, but have friends that are. One of them annoys his wife because he won't even step on spiders. If he sees one in the house ? he carries it outside. Not exactly a violent man.

Again, a better start would be swift,exacting capture , prosecution , and punishment of those caught and known to be guilty.
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Re cars pressure cookers etc. Those are completely unrelated to gun violence. Banning them would make no difference to gun violence and vice versa. Banning guns would not reduce deaths from cars or pressure cookers.

I agree sport shooting is fun. This is highly regulated in Canada. There are rules for transporting weapons to a shooting range.

Your suggestion for swift prosecution won't work in the U.S. Too many lawyers.

I don't think it would make any difference. The U.S. has the death penalty. It doesn't seem to be a deterrent at all.

Now here's a thought. Since all of the mass shootings are by males, there should be a law banning males under 75 from owning a weapon of any kind.

Why aren't there any female mass shooters out there. Do you get my point. It has to be something to do with male hormones. So the threat to offenders should be a forced gender change.
 
Sunny said:
Wouldn't work, rgp. These nut cases already consider themselves heroes and martyrs, they are already prepared to die, and some of them take their own lives. Arming the entire population with assault rifles and then executing those who use them does not strike me as any kind of a solution whatsoever.

How about not arming people with assault rifles to begin with? What would be wrong with that?

(Sorry, my attempt to copy and paste a quote didn't work here, and I can't get rid of all that junk at the bottom. Just ignore.)
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It's a bit late. They are already armed now.
 
Camper6 said:
Re cars pressure cookers etc. Those are completely unrelated to gun violence. Banning them would make no difference to gun violence and vice versa. Banning guns would not reduce deaths from cars or pressure cookers.

I agree sport shooting is fun. This is highly regulated in Canada. There are rules for transporting weapons to a shooting range.

Your suggestion for swift prosecution won't work in the U.S. Too many lawyers.

I don't think it would make any difference. The U.S. has the death penalty. It doesn't seem to be a deterrent at all.

Now here's a thought. Since all of the mass shootings are by males, there should be a law banning males under 75 from owning a weapon of any kind.

Why aren't there any female mass shooters out there. Do you get my point. It has to be something to do with male hormones. So the threat to offenders should be a forced gender change.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
 
rgp said:
Who needs an assault car ? Let's ban those as well, after all assault cars kill more people every year than assault rifles. To bad we didn't ban assault pressure cookers , all those in Boston would have been saved as well.

Rapid fire weapons , & rapid fire shooting is a sport within a sport. The skill of shooting in that manner, accurately at a shooting range target. Why should their sport be hindered,diminished? I'm not a shooter, but have friends that are. One of them annoys his wife because he won't even step on spiders. If he sees one in the house ? he carries it outside. Not exactly a violent man.

Again, a better start would be swift,exacting capture , prosecution , and punishment of those caught and known to be guilty.
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Well, proper "enforced" legislation sure seemed to worked in Australia...and their people still own guns. From what I understand, they tightened up their overall gun laws, besides the buy back of illegal guns - guess it would break the US to buy guns back and actually write and enforce the "correct" legislation? Sigh: https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
 
A "buy back" policy might be a good place to start. At least it would reduce the number of those hellish weapons out there.

Rgp, you make a good point that there are already too many of them out there to expect any immediate reduction in the murder rate by banning them from being sold. But it's better than doing nothing, and at least would prevent people from buying new ones. Or make it much harder for them to find them.

Implementing draconian punishments might satisfy our need for vengeance, but I really doubt that it would act as a deterrent. We aren't talking about heavy fines for speeders helping to reduce traffic accidents. Most drivers are pretty rational people. With these mass murders by assault weapons, we are dealing with people who are very sick, very angry, very resentful, the outcasts of society. Do you really think anyone who has reached that state of affairs is going to care about his punishment?

I do believe that those who are captured alive and found guilty should be sentenced to life without. At least it would remove them from the rest of us.
 
When has capital punishment ever, even once, acted as a deterrent? How much proof do we need to show that it clearly doesn't work?

Anyone insane enough to go out and buy an assault rifle in order to kill as many innocent people as possible in a crowded place, is not very likely to think, "Uh-oh, that is a hanging offense, and I really don't want to hang, the last guy didn't look like he was enjoying it much, so, um, I guess I'd better
just put the whole idea on hold and not do it." Really, S.D., is that the way you think their minds work?
 
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