Paco Dennis
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Says this church sign "...Facts don't matter" ?????
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Colleen
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I saw an article the other day about a "pastor" that is telling his flock that masks are NOT allowed in church and if anyone comes with a mask, they will be asked to leave!
In November, our one neighbor had a big gathering for family for Thanksgiving and then Christmas. There was an elderly couple that were friends of hers that were invited> no one wore masks and never social distanced. As a matter of fact, she had told my husband and me prior to these gatherings that "If God wants me to get it (Covid) then I will but if He doesn't, He doesn't." We definitely stayed away from her and her family from then on. Anyway, the elderly man got Covid right after Christmas and died 2 days later.
In November, our one neighbor had a big gathering for family for Thanksgiving and then Christmas. There was an elderly couple that were friends of hers that were invited> no one wore masks and never social distanced. As a matter of fact, she had told my husband and me prior to these gatherings that "If God wants me to get it (Covid) then I will but if He doesn't, He doesn't." We definitely stayed away from her and her family from then on. Anyway, the elderly man got Covid right after Christmas and died 2 days later.
Victor
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Really, really stupid. I understand the sign. To conservative faithful believers, it is true. Facts dont matter to them. But facts should matter.
helenbacque
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That's called denying reality, which is a dangerous move when applied to life.
Warrigal
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How dare the pastor ask anyone to leave the church !
The Wesleys would not have sanctioned such an attitude let alone Jesus, whose teachings he is supposed to be preaching.
The Wesleys would not have sanctioned such an attitude let alone Jesus, whose teachings he is supposed to be preaching.
Don M.
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Those who continue to put "faith" and skepticism ahead of the facts surrounding this virus, are obviously taking their chances. It wouldn't be any big deal....IMO....if they were only putting their own lives at risk, but continuing to potentially harm others is unconscionable.
Colleen
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I have faith in God and I'm a believer in Jesus but I'm not a believer in churches. Many years ago, when my ex was running around with a gal from our church, I asked the minister to talk to my husband. Know what he said? "I don't want to get involved." That's when I lost my faith in churches.
Alligatorob
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A stupid thing to say, and one that makes little sense.
In my experience religious folks are as likely to accept fact as anyone else. Religious beliefs are in things that go beyond fact, not that violate it...
In my experience religious folks are as likely to accept fact as anyone else. Religious beliefs are in things that go beyond fact, not that violate it...
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Oris Borloff
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Regarding the original post, I took it to mean if you have your faith then details surrounding inconsistencies in the scripture don't matter, not anything to do with politics or covid. I could be wrong, because for years when I'd hear someone say, " Happy Holidays" I was under the impression it was to abbreviate "Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year".
Colleen
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I don't think that's what that sign means. It means just what it says....another disinformation about vaccines and Covid. That's what my neighbor believes because her church told her so. Wonder if it ever bothers her that by being so "religious" she and her family literally killed someone. People are too easily lead astray. They're like sheep being lead to the slaughter...and they're happy to go.
Knight
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Here's a fact not happening now though.
Matthew 4:23-25
Matthew 4:23-25
New International Version
Jesus Heals the Sick
23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people. 24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed; and he healed them. 25 Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis,[a] Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him.
fmdog44
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The cross and nails used to kill Christ were facts not faith.
feywon
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Sorry you had to go thru that. First your husband betrays you, then your pastor.
CinnamonSugar
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I've been taught that faith and science/fact compliment each other.
RadishRose
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As a matter of fact, the fact of the matter is; nothing really matters.
Unless it's your favorite ice cream.
Unless it's your favorite ice cream.
The minister didn't say, "Look to the heavens for answers?"
Lara
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(This is a Bible based response for believers and unbelievers. Agree or disagree. It's your choice and I respect that because God created us to make wise choices based on our own studies that include His words as well and which are pleasing in our creator's sight.)
1. The sign in Post1...This is NOT what the Bible says. Of course facts matter. And faith matters. We are to trust God in all things but we aren't told to check our brains at the door. He created us with brains to study and discern fact from fiction, to be proactive for recognizing and choosing Good over Evil.
2. The Bible states, "Beware of false teachers"
3. Everyone is accepted and no one is turned away from gathering together to hear Jesus' teachings...unless they are there to do harm to others. Wearing a mask obviously does not harm others. Jesus said, "Come unto me ALL ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest". He said this often and in various ways to include everyone.
4. No church is perfect because we all disobey God to varying degrees and for various reasons. Basically, all humanity has a sin nature.
5. I attended a church once that did something very wrong. I chose to leave. They aren't all good....but they aren't all bad either. Again, you just have to use the brain God gave you to study his word and then choose wisely.
1. The sign in Post1...This is NOT what the Bible says. Of course facts matter. And faith matters. We are to trust God in all things but we aren't told to check our brains at the door. He created us with brains to study and discern fact from fiction, to be proactive for recognizing and choosing Good over Evil.
2. The Bible states, "Beware of false teachers"
3. Everyone is accepted and no one is turned away from gathering together to hear Jesus' teachings...unless they are there to do harm to others. Wearing a mask obviously does not harm others. Jesus said, "Come unto me ALL ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest". He said this often and in various ways to include everyone.
4. No church is perfect because we all disobey God to varying degrees and for various reasons. Basically, all humanity has a sin nature.
5. I attended a church once that did something very wrong. I chose to leave. They aren't all good....but they aren't all bad either. Again, you just have to use the brain God gave you to study his word and then choose wisely.
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feywon
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I wasn't taught that in any formal way, but feel that way.
Lara
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Knight: "Here's a fact not happening now...that of Jesus healing the sick"
Bible says: Jesus' miracles had a purpose...to show proof that he was the Messiah.
We no longer need that proof but with that said, miracles can happen anytime God chooses to make them happen...because he can, and for whatever purpose he wants.
Bible says: Jesus' miracles had a purpose...to show proof that he was the Messiah.
We no longer need that proof but with that said, miracles can happen anytime God chooses to make them happen...because he can, and for whatever purpose he wants.
Lara
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Well, God created science so that makes sense. Unfortunately, man has messed with God's perfect science and perfect plans. There are now natural consequences for which we must suffer.
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Irwin
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The only time I hear "happy holidays" is at stores where they don't want to exclude anyone. A Jew's, a Muslim's, or an atheist's money is as good as a Christian's, and money is all that matters in much of today's world. Of course, the word holiday comes from the term 'holy day' so it's still religious, but that's just a technicality.
Warrigal
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Happy Holidays has never really taken off in Australia. Merry Christmas is a greeting that acknowledges a season rather than being a religious greeting. During Ramadan I will say Ramadan Mubarak to any Muslim women I meet to acknowledge their faith. I may say something like "May this time be fruitful for you" if they respond with a smile.
Two things irritate me - "Happy Anzac Day" because this day is a day or remembrance of those lost in battle and "Happy Easter" on Good Friday. Both make as much sense as greeting someone with Happy Hiroshima Day.
Two things irritate me - "Happy Anzac Day" because this day is a day or remembrance of those lost in battle and "Happy Easter" on Good Friday. Both make as much sense as greeting someone with Happy Hiroshima Day.
JonDouglas
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If you look around enough, you can find stupidity in just about any and every type of institution. It knows no boundaries.