Anti-Gun Rallies

ClassicRockr said:
Yes, the top picture looks like a typical rifle. The bottom picture looks like an Army weapon.
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Yep, and point being in order to ban one, it would have to be under the criteria of being semi-auto and how many rounds it could fire, since you can't ban a gun for looking scary. Therefore, both guns would have to be illegal. Seems silly doesn't it? yet that's the problem with quick reactions and not thinking it through.
 

" the top three gun manufacturers do not report their numbers of sold weapons."

Why the heck not?

These are not jars of peanut butter, these are weapons made to kill. I don't understand.
 
squatting dog said:
I have to wonder how you define an assault type weapon. That seems to be a mighty slippery slope. For instance. Which of these rifles should be banned? Trick question, because both are semi automatic and hold 17 to 18 rounds. The only difference is the color and shape.
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Notice the magazine which can be switched out for reloading? How do you reload the top one. So that's not the only difference.
Then you have the type of ammunition to consider and the penetrating ability and the rate of fire.

The black one style isn't issued to the military if it wasn't more efficient. The state of Connecticut has a ban.

And the black one can be fitted with after market accessories like high capacity magazines and bump stocks.

So it's not just color and shape.
 

Camper6 said:
Notice the magazine which can be switched out for reloading? How do you reload the top one. So that's not the only difference.
Then you have the type of ammunition to consider and the penetrating ability and the rate of fire.

The black one style isn't issued to the military if it wasn't more efficient. The state of Connecticut has a ban.

And the black one can be fitted with after market accessories like high capacity magazines and bump stocks.

So it's not just color and shape.
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This is very true.
 
RadishRose said:
" the top three gun manufacturers do not report their numbers of sold weapons."

Why the heck not?

These are not jars of peanut butter, these are weapons made to kill. I don't understand.
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Perhaps a person has to be a gun owner to understand. Heck, I don't know. As far as "made to kill", that is your thinking, but to gun owners that only use guns and rifles for target shooting, they don't look at it that way. For them, it's a fun activity at their local range. My wife loves shooting her handgun and rifle.
 
But for those who get such pleasure out of owning a gun, would it really be so terrible to use a temporary rented gun at the target range? Wouldn't it be worth the slight inconvenience, if it saved even one innocent life?
 
Camper6 said:
Notice the magazine which can be switched out for reloading? How do you reload the top one. So that's not the only difference.
Then you have the type of ammunition to consider and the penetrating ability and the rate of fire.

The black one style isn't issued to the military if it wasn't more efficient. The state of Connecticut has a ban.

And the black one can be fitted with after market accessories like high capacity magazines and bump stocks.

So it's not just color and shape.
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Again, the point has been missed. If you ban one type of gun for it's semi-auto capability, or removable magazines
you have all others covered by the same blanket. So, does the govt just ban the ATI mfg gun because you can remove the magazine. Well then what's to stop another company from offering the same style gun? On a side note, that particular ATI is only 22 caliber, but was designed to be an exact replica of an mp5 right down to the same weight and a fat 9mm style magazine even though the 22's look lost in there. That allows it to be used for training of law enforcement world wide including our swat units.

You're also confusing this with an AR-15 style rifle which can be fitted with a bump stock. As far as I can find, no such option exists for an ATI GSG 22 cal. Of yeah, my JC Higgins 22 has a scope on it. (and is the terror of every squirrel around my place) :)
 
SifuPhil said:
Understood.

And somehow I don't think that a total ban like in the UK or Australia would work here. The culture is too entrenched.

I think it might take several small fixes instead of one big one.
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Again I say, there is not a total ban in Australia. There is national registration and a licensing system that becomes more restrictive for certain categories of firearm. It also applies to other weapons, including knives, swords and martial arts items.

Not all gun owners think the same way. Most are accepting of regulations that impose limits on carnage, especially of children in their classrooms. Only the very selfish consider unfettered freedom to be worth the lives of their children and grandchildren. Or the lives of the children of their neighbours.
 
Sunny said:
But for those who get such pleasure out of owning a gun, would it really be so terrible to use a temporary rented gun at the target range? Wouldn't it be worth the slight inconvenience, if it saved even one innocent life?
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A person likes using their own firearms. They know how it shoots and they can set the sights for how they shoot.
 
squatting dog said:
Again, the point has been missed. If you ban one type of gun for it's semi-auto capability, or removable magazines
you have all others covered by the same blanket. So, does the govt just ban the ATI mfg gun because you can remove the magazine. Well then what's to stop another company from offering the same style gun? On a side note, that particular ATI is only 22 caliber, but was designed to be an exact replica of an mp5 right down to the same weight and a fat 9mm style magazine even though the 22's look lost in there. That allows it to be used for training of law enforcement world wide including our swat units.

You're also confusing this with an AR-15 style rifle which can be fitted with a bump stock. As far as I can find, no such option exists for an ATI GSG 22 cal. Of yeah, my JC Higgins 22 has a scope on it. (and is the terror of every squirrel around my place) :)
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Well the fully automatics are restricted. I don't think a full ban will work in the U.S.A. because of the Second Amendment and the NRA lobby.
 
Warrigal said:
Again I say, there is not a total ban in Australia. There is national registration and a licensing system that becomes more restrictive for certain categories of firearm. It also applies to other weapons, including knives, swords and martial arts items.

Not all gun owners think the same way. Most are accepting of regulations that impose limits on carnage, especially of children in their classrooms. Only the very selfish consider unfettered freedom to be worth the lives of their children and grandchildren. Or the lives of the children of their neighbours.
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Does Australia have anything like the Second Amendment in the U.S.

That's the big difference. There are those that are even opposed to background checks because they insist it infringes on the Second Amendment.
 
squatting dog said:
As a follow up''' govt' says there are approx. 300 million guns in the USA. now un-scientifically, I checked around my small town and found a ratio of roughly 10 unregistered guns to every 4 that are registered. Do the math, I would say that equates to an awful lot of guns. Therefore my question would be... how do you roundup all those weapons that exist in the USA? Do you send out brown shirts to take them by force? Pass a law that say's "turn em in or else" Also, how do you stop the fact that a gun is man made item and can be built by anyone who so desires. I would have to say time would be better spent to find out why nobody did their job rather than try to make this an NRA problem. While on that subject, can someone please name an NRA member who has gone ballistic and committed a mass shooting. Don't think you can.
What little I could stomach of the "protest march" chilled me when I listened to children saying the constitution is an out dated document that should be discarded. That alone should frighten every law abiding citizen just to think that young ones are being brainwashed into this kind of thinking.
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I absolutely agree. The leftist wacko's have been trying to disarm us for decades. If and when the 2nd Amendment is repealed, that will be the end of America. We will be totally at the mercy of the thugs running around loose in our streets and the wacko's in our own government. You think home invasions are bad now ? Just wait and see what's coming.
 
One thing that I haven't seen posted here, but I probably just missed reading it is that there are still a great many Uzi's out there, even today. Also, the H&K, MP-5 is still available, although not fully automatic (legally) like the military uses. These weapons are for real and can kill many more in the same amount of time as an AR-15.

I remember back in the mid '90's that there was a paper (newspaper style) that was being distributed by a small company in Tennessee, that sold such items as changeover kits for the AK-47 from semi to fully automatic and the same for the Uzi's. Here's a video of what I am speaking about and while your watching it, just think if one of these nut jobs that are doing school, mall, nightclub shootings and etc., would get their hands on one, just what kind of body count we would be talking about.

 
Warrigal said:
Again I say, there is not a total ban in Australia. There is national registration and a licensing system that becomes more restrictive for certain categories of firearm. It also applies to other weapons, including knives, swords and martial arts items.

Not all gun owners think the same way. Most are accepting of regulations that impose limits on carnage, especially of children in their classrooms. Only the very selfish consider unfettered freedom to be worth the lives of their children and grandchildren. Or the lives of the children of their neighbours.
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You're right, of course. My bad.
 
squatting dog said:
Again, the point has been missed. If you ban one type of gun for it's semi-auto capability, or removable magazines
you have all others covered by the same blanket. So, does the govt just ban the ATI mfg gun because you can remove the magazine. Well then what's to stop another company from offering the same style gun? On a side note, that particular ATI is only 22 caliber, but was designed to be an exact replica of an mp5 right down to the same weight and a fat 9mm style magazine even though the 22's look lost in there. That allows it to be used for training of law enforcement world wide including our swat units.

You're also confusing this with an AR-15 style rifle which can be fitted with a bump stock. As far as I can find, no such option exists for an ATI GSG 22 cal. Of yeah, my JC Higgins 22 has a scope on it. (and is the terror of every squirrel around my place) :)
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Poor squirrels, RIP.
 
Earlier 911 was wondering about the info on number of guns in the country. Well, my unscientific data was made by using my current home state statistics. See chart below. :D:D
 

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It seems to be that far too many are confused about our gun laws and which guns are definitely illegal.

Simple, all guns firing AUTO MATIC are illegal by todays laws. Those look alike or named alike to military assault weapons are definitley semi automatic or illegal to sell and use. Just far too much wrong information going around in these youth meetings.
 
BobF said:
It seems to be that far too many are confused about our gun laws and which guns are definitely illegal.

Simple, all guns firing AUTO MATIC are illegal by todays laws. Those look alike or named alike to military assault weapons are definitley semi automatic or illegal to sell and use. Just far too much wrong information going around in these youth meetings.
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If only it were that simple.

There are plenty of loopholes in the laws, such as an automatic weapon manufactured before 1986 is LEGAL to own (albeit with a lot more paperwork).

According to Fed data there are more than 630,000 such guns floating around the country.

And even though bump stocks are being outlawed, there are still many other modifications that a gun enthusiast can easily make to their weapon to make it full auto.
 
BobF said:
It seems to be that far too many are confused about our gun laws and which guns are definitely illegal.

Simple, all guns firing AUTO MATIC are illegal by todays laws. Those look alike or named alike to military assault weapons are definitley semi automatic or illegal to sell and use. Just far too much wrong information going around in these youth meetings.
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Not really illegal. You can still get one if you want to. It's just grandfathered.
 
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