Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

I hadn't heard of cenegenics Phil, probably because I don't watch cable/satellite. For those that can afford it, I imagine it will sell like hot-cakes. I don't have the money, and if I did, I can't tell you I wouldn't look into it at least. It's almost as if the "push" was toward poor health over the time I've grown up in, and now, they are offering "fixes" for it all. I'm ok with better choices at the market (the best I can make without growing it all myself, and even then, what's in that dirt anyway:confused:). I also get out every day now, for a walk/hike. I hope to carry that over into Winter, or if I'm really lucky, live in a more moderate climate (the Oregon Coast).

Can't help but think of Sophia on Golden Girls, in the episode where Rose is in the hospital and dreams of all the girls having their heads frozen til they could get new bodies:

 

I don't see anything wrong with this. If I can afford it, it would not hurt. I would prefer this to plastic surgery. I do have to say that I think your idea of a third-world country is stereotypical. I was born in what is considered to be a third-world country and although they are not politically aligned with the US, they do care about their health and well being just like anyone else. There are rich people, there are poor people, there are people who eat well-balanced, healthy diets and live to be 100+.
 
Josey -- use the information they provide to get on the road, after you have taken the hormones and used the supplements, believe me, you will become very aware low doses, (over doses rarely occur) and the interacting effects. The hormones and other prescriptions can be compounded by many outside pharmacies simply take them the bottle. As you use the supplements you will see differences, and continue or not. The real cost of Cenegenics, Physioage, and some others like them, is paying for them to do the things you don't want to keep track of. If you do want to spend the time, ask questions etc. the same effects are within the financial range of most everyone.
 

Just don't want to hurt Soo much

Some heated emotions here. Thanks for all your inputs. Yes, of course I'd like to stay and look young but mostly, I want to stop the pain of aging. Thanks to good genetics, people don't believe I'm 62 but boy do I feel it. I have been taking bio identical hormones, PTE not HGH for over 8 years. I had a thyroid adrenal hormone crash at 56 and my doctor put me on numerous meds and supplements synthroid , nature thyroid, dhea, dim, iodine, cymbalta, avandament, isocort I questioned the avandament for high blood sugar, and cymbalta, therapeutic dose used as a neurotransmitter My doctor wasn't concerned but then they took avandament off the market as a dangerous drug. The manufacturer stopped making isocort a supplement for addrenals and there went my energy. My doctor prescribed hydrocortisone for all her patients using isocort but I guess she didn't read my chart because warnings state not to use f u have high blood sugar

so I was looking for a physician who would do the numerous tests to try to get on track. In the last two years I've had osteo arthritis in both hands , now it's in my hips. I have no energy and have to take a nap at 2pm, can't sleep at night with hip pain and my A.D.D. Is in full swing. I'm addicted to sugars, need to lose 15 lbs. increase my exercise regime to 5 days from 3 days and eat better.

I just don't want to buy into a scam. Do you think the term Cenegenics is copywriter and only those who have gone through a program can use it or is it a general term by anyone who takes numerous tests and prescribes hormone replacement and supplements.

To "Going down swinging". Can you share where u started at $1000 instead of $4000
Please only post helpful comment. Any Third world comments need to go on another board.

Quote: The more dirt you shovel, the less ground you stand on
 
I suppose it's because I don't have money to spend on expensive "fixes", if they do indeed, fix, but I am doing amazingly well with the best nutrition I can get my hands on at the store, and I do use gelatin now thanks to a kind person that shared their story with me. I also stay active, and I realize some cannot be active. I have a brother who is paralyzed from the chest down. So I know about "immobility". Poor health doesn't usually happen overnight, so I can't expect regaining health to happen any faster. When I start seeing the small changes, like losing inches, as well as pounds, when I feel less aching joints, or headaches, I just know I am on the right track.

I'm not telling anyone not to go for something like this, everyone has to do what they feel is right for them, but I'm not staying quiet about my progress, and I'm living on very, little here financially. This non-sedentary, wise, grocery choices is working for me. I also eat from all the basic 5, and if I want a piece of pie, or anything else I have it. Don't anyone tell me I have good genes either because my mother was a potato shape, although small-boned like me. My grandmother, and all my Aunts were heavy, so was my dad's side.
 
I am victom of cenegenics. They are big SCAM. They charge $ 5000 for initial evaluation and 12-1500$ every month. They send supplements and hormones/ probably steroids and I had to take about 30 pills daily. I was feeling nauseaous and sick. I lost my sleep since I had to wake up twice in the night to urinate. I started aches and pains all over body. Absolutely worthless. I am warning you to stay away from from cheaters.
 
dranum786 said:
I am victom of cenegenics. They are big SCAM. They charge $ 5000 for initial evaluation and 12-1500$ every month. They send supplements and hormones/ probably steroids and I had to take about 30 pills daily. I was feeling nauseaous and sick. I lost my sleep since I had to wake up twice in the night to urinate. I started aches and pains all over body. Absolutely worthless. I am warning you to stay away from from cheaters.
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Your experience is very different from mine. What your saying does not sound credible. If you are telling the truth, you should be able to easily answer these questions. Did they do blood tests? Where did you go to get the tests? What was done at the initial $5000 evaluation? What was the procedure for you to get your supplements? And, what did the bottles that contained the pills look like, and describe what the pills looked like.

I think this is all made up. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and wait for you answers to these basic questions which will tell me if you really did the program.

>>>They send supplements and hormones/probably steroids<<<

"probably steroids?" If you are prescribed steroids, the bottle is clearly labeled "testosterone."

I started Cenegenics last September and it has worked wonders. I am sure some do not like Cenegenics, especially the cost, but your post sounds like you have never been on Cenegenics.

You can prove you are truthful by answering those questions. Anybody on Cenegenics could easily answer them.

Maybe you are truthful. Maybe the "SCAM" is you!

Newly old
 
Dear dranum786-

I see you just joined the Senior Forums and this is your first post. I am confused why you would join to post a fraudulent claim about Cenegenics. I have no connection to them. I had joined the forum and posted my experience with Cenegenics with real time posts of my experience so that people could have a first hand account. I saw Senior Forums as a place where honest people shared information and opinions.

Your comments convince me that you have never been a Cenegenics client/patient. Now, people who look to Senior Forums for honest comments will be faced with falsified information, a big kick in the butt to the credibility of Senior Forums.

You can prove me wrong when you answer the simple questions that any Cenegenics client would know. If, as I suspect, you are a fraud, I will learn if Senior Forums is moderated to remove fraudulent posts.

It would be a shame if you are a fraud and a fraudulent post is allowed to remain making Senior Forums just another place that you cannot trust for reliable information. I hope this is not the case. I joined hoping I would be in an honest and trusting community.

Newly Old
 
dranum786 said:
I am victom of cenegenics. They are big SCAM. They charge $ 5000 for initial evaluation and 12-1500$ every month. They send supplements and hormones/ probably steroids and I had to take about 30 pills daily. I was feeling nauseaous and sick. I lost my sleep since I had to wake up twice in the night to urinate. I started aches and pains all over body. Absolutely worthless. I am warning you to stay away from from cheaters.
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For those who want more honest info, my Cenegenics supplements are fish oil- 4 pills/day, vitamin D, magnesium orotate, a multivitamin, 1 baby aspirin, DHEA, and melatonin if needed for sleep (almost never). I give my self testosterone shots weekly which brought my T level from low to normal range. That is up to 10 pills a day, but nowhere near thirty. And the testosterone is labeled just as any other prescription medicine, with strength and dose instructions.

Cenegenics is very expensive and not for everyone. It has close medical monitoring, and is based on sound medical science. Many may say it is way overpriced, but it has done wonders for my health and quality of life.

Newly Old
 
debora1977 said:
Not good to hear that this diet does not fit all.
How to check whether it is suitable for me?:confused:
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Cenegenics has 3 main parts. The diet is a well planned healthy low carb diet. There are tips about eating organic, and food choices but it is not anything unique. It works because people committed enough to pay lots of money are more likely to throw themselves into it 100%

The second part is exercise. Cenegenics helps a lot here because if you are low on testosterone, replacement is given that raises you to normal levels. With normal levels, you have much more energy and you see results of exercise quickly.

The third part is what I do not think can be safely done without an expert doctor or the Cenegenics doctor. that is hormone optimization and balancing the right supplements. Some argue that anyone can prescribe testosterone, but I believe the close monitoring by a physician with periodic blood tests is necessary for safety.

A healthy low carb diet can be done without Cenegenics. The trick is staying with it.

Newly Old
 
Cenegenics Fraud, scam, stay away from CROOKS

Yes, they did blood tests. I did not go anywhere, lady called me and scheduled appointment at my home to draw blood. Blood was drawn 3 weeks before my appointment at the center. When I went for appointment there was 'one man show'. One lady did everything. She started bone scan. She also did carotid artery ultrasound. Then she did different excercises and last excercis was on bicycle, which was monitoring my heart beat also. Then they did brain test on computer. She also showed me video for diet. and she gave me book for low carb diet and high fat diet (ANY NUTRITION COUNSELOR CAN DO THAT OR EVEN YOU CAN GOOGLE IT). Then They gave me lunch and had me rest for an hour. Then doctor saw me. he had all my lab reports. All were normal but he was exagerrating everything and trying me scar me, to make value of his consult and my $5000. I took all those tests to two other physicians and they were all fine. At the end of the day, they charged again $1200 for monthly charges, so basically it was $6200 for that visit. Then they shipped me supplements. One packet contained 8 pills, named multivitamins, I had to take twice daily. One bottle has Co Q10 2 pills twice daily, Fish oil two humongous pills, twice daily, magnesium sulphate pillls, Melatonins, DHEA, testosterone and few other pills. Altogether 30 a day.

Any physician with primary care can do that. Regular nutritinist and excercise counseller can advice you same or better. This is absolutely worthless. I think you are one of their emplyee of Cenegenics, thats why you are fighting for them. these people should be ashammed and incarcerated. I am warning every one, don't loose your hard earned money on these fraudulent people. If you have extra money, spend on charity instead of these crooks. You will only realise once you already loose $30K. I want to share my experience to prevent you from fraud, rest is up to you. Smart people learn from others experience, and others even don't learn from their own experience. SO BETTER LEARN FROM MY EXPERIENCE.



Newly Old said:
Your experience is very different from mine. What your saying does not sound credible. If you are telling the truth, you should be able to easily answer these questions. Did they do blood tests? Where did you go to get the tests? What was done at the initial $5000 evaluation? What was the procedure for you to get your supplements? And, what did the bottles that contained the pills look like, and describe what the pills looked like.

I think this is all made up. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and wait for you answers to these basic questions which will tell me if you really did the program.

>>>They send supplements and hormones/probably steroids<<<

"probably steroids?" If you are prescribed steroids, the bottle is clearly labeled "testosterone."

I started Cenegenics last September and it has worked wonders. I am sure some do not like Cenegenics, especially the cost, but your post sounds like you have never been on Cenegenics.

You can prove you are truthful by answering those questions. Anybody on Cenegenics could easily answer them.

Maybe you are truthful. Maybe the "SCAM" is you!

Newly old
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I finally got around to reading about this post, even though it was started two years ago! :) Anyway, I had never heard of cenegenics before...but I would have had the tendency to react with 'no way, Jose' '...but see that would be "ME".... '
What I believe is that whatever you truly BELIEVE will work for you WILL... thing is, many people are not aware of some of their conscious as well as subconscious beliefs.
IT IS "done unto you according to your beliefs" ...that is for the religious folks. For those into spirituality or metaphysics its all about the Law of Attraction knowing that what you BELIEVE is what you attract. You cannot fool your belief system by saying pretty words and phrases.
First: a person needs to ask themselves: WHY is it that I 'need' this cenegenics system? If you strongly believe that you will lose a lot of capability and function as you age...you will.
HOPING that Cenegenics will 'work' for you is NOT the same as your belief system...however, temporary 'progress' might be 'real' for you if you honestly and truly believe it will....
The people who 100% believe this process will work WILL see good results. Its just really important to actually realize that you can't just 'hope' or have any doubts...
Kinda like 'faith healers' ...they DO work for some...and do not for others. If its all based on temporary high emotions...then no, it won't.
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Yea seriously. What a scam. Just like healthcare!!!!
sifuphil said:
cenegenics.com

if you watch any television at all, chances are good that you've seen a cenegenics commercial in the last few months. They've been on a massive advertising campaign to get new members into their program, and after checking out their site, downloading their brochure and doing some fact-checking i just wondered if anyone else had checked them out.

Basically they are an "aging management" business (not an "anti-aging" one, as has sometimes been claimed). Their goal is to provide concierge service to members through extensive medical testing, nutritional and exercise prescriptions and, most controversially, the administration of steroidal / hormonal compounds.

Their theory is that as we age we may make rudimentary attempts at maintaining health, but until now we've only gone about it in a slip-shod manner. They offer to take over the reigns and guide you through a regimen that they claim has proven successful in re-vitalizing their senior members.

This is only a "scratching-the-surface" attempt at explaining what they're all about, so if you're interested visit their website, download their brochure (pdf format) and decide for yourself.

One thing that is not mentioned anywhere is the price. My research turned up a few numbers: Approx. $4,000 for the initial rounds of testing (for which you have to visit one of their centers for 2 or 3 days), followed by monthly maintenance costs (prescriptions, testing, etc.) of around $1,000-$1,500. It's not cheap, certainly, and it might explain why so many of their members are doctors, but what price health?
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nwlady said:
I suppose it's because I don't have money to spend on expensive "fixes", if they do indeed, fix, but I am doing amazingly well with the best nutrition I can get my hands on at the store, and I do use gelatin now thanks to a kind person that shared their story with me. I also stay active, and I realize some cannot be active. I have a brother who is paralyzed from the chest down. So I know about "immobility". Poor health doesn't usually happen overnight, so I can't expect regaining health to happen any faster. When I start seeing the small changes, like losing inches, as well as pounds, when I feel less aching joints, or headaches, I just know I am on the right track.

I'm not telling anyone not to go for something like this, everyone has to do what they feel is right for them, but I'm not staying quiet about my progress, and I'm living on very, little here financially. This non-sedentary, wise, grocery choices is working for me. I also eat from all the basic 5, and if I want a piece of pie, or anything else I have it. Don't anyone tell me I have good genes either because my mother was a potato shape, although small-boned like me. My grandmother, and all my Aunts were heavy, so was my dad's side.
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Good ideas, all. I'd like to add, I find eating organic food is worth the extra expense but it's nothing compared to the cost of cenegenics. Eliminating white sugar should be a must for most of us. Exercise is super important as well as going for a walk everyday. Tai Chi is very beneficial and is a good form of exercise for those in pain or who lack the energy for more strenuous types of exercise.

Mediatation is extremely beneficial and doesn't cost a cent. Practising the relaxation response has helped me enormously. It will lower your blood pressure if nothing else but can also assist in digestion and pain management.

Eating organic food coupled with daily walks and gentle exercise has helped my 80+ year old parent to reverse heart disease, avoid surgery and enjoy more activity and the quality of living.

I'm interested in cenegenics but I think it's a lot of money and I'm uneasy about bioidentical hormones. Until something better comes along I'll continue my own path to youth, health, and longevity.
 
Hello All. I just joined this forum. I have been recently reading both the information on independent sites and this thread about cenegenics and I guess I am skeptical at heart. Having said that, I do believe Science/Technology is growing exponentially. It is said that the human who is going to live to 130 is being born "today". Will this be true? Who knows. I have lived long enough to learn that as anything is possible it is just that "possible" not guaranteed.

Hormone therapy is very enticing and sounds promising but Nature makes it come with a catch. The catch is the possible side effects both physical and mental. Almost like being handed free tickets to a ball game but then being informed you are sitting in the last row approximately 1500 ft. above home plate. The cost of cenegetics is expensive with some unnecessary procedures that can be performed on your own or elsewhere.

Sometimes I ask myself why the hell do I want to stay here any longer than God has planned for me. The birth of my 3 children showed me how beautiful this place can be but days like 9/11 showed me how much hurt one human can possibly feel. I think we all have an innate motive to prolong or "fight" the inevitable. I always found it so fascinating when I was young how I became so absorbed with the minutia of the day while remaining completely oblivious to what IS guaranteed in this life and that's death. I apologize for rambling.

I guess what I am trying to say is that when the time comes I want to truly say I really LIVED. Lived everyday to its fullest in order to honor those who could not or even sacrificed their own. I look at it this way, if life is like driving a car down a highway that will eventually end and someone gave you an opportunity after driving many miles to get new tires, new paint job, tune-up, etc. I would take it. Simply because the road is going to end anyway. I might as well enjoy the rest of the trip in a nice car!
 
Waiting For God said:
... I look at it this way, if life is like driving a car down a highway that will eventually end and someone gave you an opportunity after driving many miles to get new tires, new paint job, tune-up, etc. I would take it. Simply because the road is going to end anyway. I might as well enjoy the rest of the trip in a nice car!
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The way I see it, Cenegenics is asking us to trade in our Ford Escort and finance a Ferrari.

Problem is, our reflexes are better suited to the Escort ... :rolleyes:
 
Just looking at the cheezy commercials puts the product in the usual infomercial crap category. They don't really say anything...even on the website. You get a magic pill and a lot of "medical" care which I suspect is something you can get with your insurance and a regular doctor. Showing a muscular guy with a woman talking about how great his sex life is...is pandering and cheezy. The person obviously is a weight-lifter and there's a lot of small print that you can't read as it goes by too fast. It's probably a "what you see here are atypical results" warning. Like all of these things, it's about selling you testosterone pills and giving you costly medical care that would be cheaper somewhere else. Testosterone supplements are dangerous and I am sure it is really nice to have a great body while you are in intensive care in a cardiac ward for loading your body up with testosterone. One of the posts here is evidently from the company itself.
 
dranum786 said:
Yes, they did blood tests. I did not go anywhere, lady called me and scheduled appointment at my home to draw blood. Blood was drawn 3 weeks before my appointment at the center. When I went for appointment there was 'one man show'. One lady did everything. She started bone scan. She also did carotid artery ultrasound. Then she did different excercises and last excercis was on bicycle, which was monitoring my heart beat also. Then they did brain test on computer. She also showed me video for diet. and she gave me book for low carb diet and high fat diet (ANY NUTRITION COUNSELOR CAN DO THAT OR EVEN YOU CAN GOOGLE IT). Then They gave me lunch and had me rest for an hour. Then doctor saw me. he had all my lab reports. All were normal but he was exagerrating everything and trying me scar me, to make value of his consult and my $5000. I took all those tests to two other physicians and they were all fine. At the end of the day, they charged again $1200 for monthly charges, so basically it was $6200 for that visit. Then they shipped me supplements. One packet contained 8 pills, named multivitamins, I had to take twice daily. One bottle has Co Q10 2 pills twice daily, Fish oil two humongous pills, twice daily, magnesium sulphate pillls, Melatonins, DHEA, testosterone and few other pills. Altogether 30 a day.

Any physician with primary care can do that. Regular nutritinist and excercise counseller can advice you same or better. This is absolutely worthless. I think you are one of their emplyee of Cenegenics, thats why you are fighting for them. these people should be ashammed and incarcerated. I am warning every one, don't loose your hard earned money on these fraudulent people. If you have extra money, spend on charity instead of these crooks. You will only realise once you already loose $30K. I want to share my experience to prevent you from fraud, rest is up to you. Smart people learn from others experience, and others even don't learn from their own experience. SO BETTER LEARN FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
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I stand corrected. This my first log-in since my last post. Yes, I see that you did go to Cenegenics. No, I do not work for them. (If you read my thread about my experiences, you will see that I talked honestly about the good and the bad that I experienced- including the medical side effects)

I agree that it is extremely expensive. But it worked wonders for me. That being said, I cannot afford to renew for a second year.

I have not been able to find any doctors who accept insurance who will do age management and hormone optimization. The concierge MD's will, but they also charge thousands.

I have seen other programs that seem like Cenegenics and are a thousand dollars cheaper, but that's it.

They are selling a package. Yes, a nutritionist can prescribe a diet. A trainer can do an exercise program. And that may be enough for many people. For me, I needed the package. I failed at many attempts on my own over the past 40 years. Weight watchers, NutiSystems, Atkins diet, dietician, health clubs, "healthy diets." This one worked for me.

The bottom line is that I lost 40#, gained strength and energy, feel the best I have in 20 years, and went from a cholesterol over 220+ to 137 with an excellent lipid profile. You cannot convince me that it is a scam.

If others can do it on their own, I admire them. I hope you are finding success for yourself.

Newly old
 
I did the Cenegenics. It was not a scam but it was and is too costly. I suggest that you buy a Paleo or glycemic index book diet plan. Also get your physician to raise your testosterone. This will save you $5000 and $1700 per month. Cheers to all. Paul Williams
 
Since I don't live in the US this is the first I've heard of this scam.

I'm certainly intelligent enough to figure out on my own through common sense and research how to have the healthiest old age I can.
 
I don't think Cenegenics is a scam. I have checked into it. and clearly there is great science to back it up. However, I ultimately decided not to go down that path. My reason: while the science is there, they still don't know enough to avoid all harm. There unquestionably are people who are going to be harmed by Cengenics program. Supposedly they won't give testosterone and HGH to people who have cancer, but how would they know if you have cancer? People can have cancer for years before symptoms arise. If you're such a person, the Cengenics program could seriously harm you. Let there be no doubt - there is danger associated with all medical interventions, and the problem is doctors are not bright enough (and more importantly not interested enough) to figure out who will be harmed, and who will not. They are perfectly comfortable putting some percentage of people at risk. But if you are one of those people who is harmed, it is devastating. I've been there, but I'm not talking about Cenegenics. I let doctors perform a test on me that does cause harm to about 1% of the population. Its a long story. The bottom line is that I was certain I did not need the test. The doctor insisted that I have it before doing the tests that I wanted. It was easier to agree with him than to fight him, and that was worst mistake of my life. My entire life path was altered by that decision.

Think long and hard about things like this. Once you're in, you're in and there is no turning back. If bad things happen to you, you have to live with them. There is simply no way to figure out if your one of the people that will be hurt. Its a gamble. I decided to not gamble on my health anymore.
 
We each have our own beliefs and try to live by them...when I was only 29 years old and had 3 sons already, I was diagnosed with potentially pre-cancer so my surgeon did a complete hysterectomy on me...reluctantly ..but he did...he was very young and pretty fresh out of med school...mind you that was in 1974...but I will never forget what he told me and I have lived by it...he believed (from all the research he had done) that our bodies are much better off without any hormones rather than to add artificial..so if I could go through all the changes my body was going to go through in the next month without the help of hormones I would never have a problem...I have never put an hormone in my body, even though some female physicians suggested it, and I am a very healthy 69 year old with more energy than I can channel on some days and I am proud to say I do not take medication either....so it worked for me...doesn't mean it is meant for you
 

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