What Do Real Muslims Believe?

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oldiebutgoody said:
How's Israel "democracy" working out now for Palestinians and the many Christians who were exiled:

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinian Christians that Nobody is Talking About - CounterPunch.org


''there is near consensus that the number of Christian inhabitants of Palestine has dropped by nearly ten-fold in the last 70 years ... 70 years ago, Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus Christ, was 86 percent Christian ... The correlation between the shrinking Christian population in Palestine, and the Israeli occupation and apartheid should be unmistakable, as it is obvious to Palestine’s Christian and Muslim population alike ... “the pressure of Israeli occupation, ongoing constraints, discriminatory policies, arbitrary arrests, confiscation of lands added to the general sense of hopelessness among Palestinian Christians,” who are finding themselves in “a despairing situation where they can no longer perceive a future for their offspring or for themselves”.



Many in the USA condemn the Taliban for similar actions but applaud it in Israel. Very ironic, indeed.
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oldiebutgoody said:
Being Jewish myself it's a bit difficult to stop thinking about the subject. Am about to take my daily constitutional and, as usual, will wear my FREE PALESTINE wristband and Menorah medallion. Both very comforting to have.

As for sending the UN to stop anti black government violence, hey, not a bad idea since the USA does so overseas to stop what it considers unnecessary evils overseas. What's good for the goose being good for the gander.
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I had you on ignore before and now I remember why.
 

Pepper said:
I know you are Jewish @oldiebutgoody. I can Always Tell. Now, let's stop dissing @OneEyedDiva and go back to HER topic. Thank you.
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As we have determined and decided before threads often go off rail and anyone can talk about anything and no one should tell someone else what they can or can not talk about. When someone is tired of the subject, they should move on.

I have been told these things several if not any times 😂. So just repeating what has been said to me. I think @Pepper you have said similar things to me, but can’t be totally sure. I forget so much so fast. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Anyway, I disagree. Besides, it’s not a problem that will ever be solved, so blah, blah, blah, and so on.

However, the comment “I can always tell” is offensive. You can always tell what? You can see how that would be offensive. Just a suggestion-I would take that out.
 
So let us look at the role of females in Muslin Countries.

You remember The cover of National Geographical: The Afghan Girl in 1985

Then the photographer's pictures of the same girl at around age thirty.

(Unfortunately I cannot post links or anything else with my colicky-knack PC.)

Go to The Afghan Girl
Then the same girl at age (approx) thirty
 
StarSong said:
She looked a lot different at age 30 in 2002 than she did at 13 in 1985.
Even not living a difficult life in a harsh climate, I also looked a lot different at 30 than at 13, too. Didn't you?
https://ricochet.com/1029839/whatever-happened-to-the-afghan-girl/
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Watched the program of the photographer attempting to speak and take pictures of the Afgan Girl on his second trip.
All negoatations of pictures of the Afgan Girl had to go through the husband and/or the husband's relatives.
I viewed the Afgan Girl as one trapped with no rights, privilages, or ability to have any goals except servitude.
She appeared cowed, distant and frightened .
She had no ability to make decisions for herself, all things must be okay by the menfolk.
 
jerry old said:
Watched the program of the photographer attempting to speak and take pictures of the Afgan Girl on his second trip.
All negoatations of pictures of the Afgan Girl had to go through the husband and/or the husband's relatives.
I viewed the Afgan Girl as one trapped with no rights, privilages, or ability to have any goals except servitude.
She appeared cowed, distant and frightened .
She had no ability to make decisions for herself, all things must be okay by the menfolk.
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I remember seeing that too!
 
My boss was born in Somalia. She is a brilliant woman who went to Cambridge, and if my memory serves, Johns Hopkins. She is Muslim, married to a Moroccan Jew. Currently, they are fostering two Christian children who attend Sunday school regularly. Welcome to multicultural Canada. She lives a life of service, and I hold her in highest esteem.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Real Muslims believe that no one race is better than another. We believe that all God's people (people of the books) have rights and should be treated equally and justly.
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One of my very closest friends is a Shiia Muslim from Iran. Truly one of the nicest guys I've ever known and he'd gladly give the shirt off his back to his own worst enemy if he ever had one. He and I have had long discussions on the subjects we are discussing here and readily admits he learned quite a lot from me.

OneEyedDiva said:
Islamophobia has spread so widely because people take the worst of what they see so called Muslims do and judge all Muslims by those things. I'm so glad I don't judge all White people by the acts of the KKK and other racists. BTW, earlier this year domestic terrorists (among them White Supremacists) were named by U.S. intelligence as one of the biggest threats we face in this country. I'm also glad I don't judge all Christians by the bad apples in the bunch.
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Prejudice is the result of ignorance and willful blindness. Part of that problem is the bombardment of lies made by those who have a pro war agenda such as that which we saw in the Downing Street Memo which I have previously quoted on these pages. Whether anyone likes it or not, there simply was no justification for invading Iraq and killing off its leader Saddam Hussein. We were told he was about to launch an invasion of the West. Read that memo and you will readily learn that Bush lied. He committed treason and is deserving of a Nuremberg tribunal for his crimes. In fact Professor Ben Ferencz (world's # 1 authority on the subject) said Bush should be given a Nuremberg tribunal and subjected to the severest sentencing possible as were the Nazis during WW II. Think of all that hate that is directed towards Muslim today. So much of it thanks to Bush who ironically called himself a Christian whose efforts in the Middle East were a "crusade". To a Muslim the term crusade is the equivalent of what a pogrom is to an Ashkenazim Jew. It is nothing less than hatred, war, and genocide.
 
Shalimar said:
Check out the extreme right wing religious viewpoint of the ruling Hindu party in India. They are very discriminatory towards Christians and Muslims. Imho, the fault lies with the people. Haters gonna hate.
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I was going to say much the same but am mindful that some here do not appreciate the changing of the subject - at least when it's me who allegedly does so.




But back to Islam, whether anyone here loves them or hates them, the incontrovertible truth remains that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world: https://tinyurl.com/3wsz8apc

They must be doing something right. Despite its alleged "sexism" 70% of the new converts are female. Despite all the hate spewed against it, Islam continues to grow everywhere every year . Despite all the claims that Muslims are the ones spreading war the truth is they are the ones enduring foreign invasion. Despite all the pretensions that the USA and West did Afghans some great favor by invading and occupying their land, the vast majority of those people retained their loyalty to the Taliban. And with the influx of thousands of Muslims into the West tens of thousands of more people will convert to their religion. Again, they must be doing something right.
 
Shalimar said:
My boss was born in Somalia. She is a brilliant woman who went to Cambridge, and if my memory serves, Johns Hopkins. She is Muslim, married to a Moroccan Jew. Currently, they are fostering two Christian children who attend Sunday school regularly. Welcome to multicultural Canada. She lives a life of service, and I hold her in highest esteem.
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Wow, that is a most impressive lady and husband. I find this to be a very uplifting and inspiring story. Thanks for posting we don’t get to read something like this very often.
 
jerry old said:
You have an answer, an opinion why females would like to be Muslims?
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I do not have an answer for why so many females convert to Islam. However, I knew one woman who did. She claimed that Islam liberates women more than any religion or ideology in existence. All I remember from our conversation (which was a long time ago), she said she (a single woman) felt comfortable with it and gave her fulfillment that Christianity did not give her.

The following sources say a bit more:

Reasons Why Female Converts to Islam Have Increased in the West | islam.ru






"There are not enough bad things that can be said about the nations former CEO, post 141"

That is so true!
 
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Alligatorob said:
I had a Muslim friend who told me that you don't really "convert" to Islam but that all are Muslims from birth, some people just don't know it. Kind of an interesting idea.
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This is what the LDS believe as well. They baptize the dead into the LDS faith. I was so surprised to read that my aunt, a life long southern Baptist, was listed as LDS at their genealogy center in SLC.
 
Alligatorob said:
I had a Muslim friend who told me that you don't really "convert" to Islam but that all are Muslims from birth, some people just don't know it. Kind of an interesting idea.
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Yes, they don't say they have converted. The term used is "reverted".

I once visited the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney on a cultural visit. A nice young man named Ali explained the architecture and the rituals of daily and Friday prayers. Then he asked if we had any questions. I asked him to tell us about rites of passage and mentioned Christian baptism and Jewish bah mitzbar. He explained that the culture in Islam is rather different. When a baby is born the father whispered into the newborn's ear something like "remember that you are a Muslim". No ritual is necessary because, as Alligatorob has indicated, everyone is considered to be Muslim from birth.
 
Aneeda72 said:
They baptize the dead into the LDS faith.
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That's the way I plan to join the church!

Did you know they baptized, after death, Vlad the Impaler and Adolf Hitler (https://gizmodo.com/the-time-mormons-baptized-adolf-hitler-and-vlad-the-imp-5962336 ) amongst other notables? I think any Mormon can baptize for the dead, don't need official approval.

I live in Utah in a town that is 90+% Mormon, I am the rare exception. I get on with them just fine and respect their religion, but am no Mormon.
 

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