11/4/2023 pro-Palestinian protests around the world

Myrtle said:
My statement about watching the actions of Islam has been quoted a couple of times and it seems I may not have been clear. I am simply saying actions speak louder than words. Beheading babies speaks really loud to me.

Then comes the moderate/radical argument. If there are moderates and if the moderates don’t want to be known by the actions of the radicals it is their responsibility to get rid of the radicals because they are all known by the same name and the same book.

While comparing Protestant and Catholic diagreements/wars to Islam I would just remind that this is 2023 and Protestants and Catholics have not fought any holy wars for centuries. When is Islam going to stop?
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" I would just remind that this is 2023 and Protestants and Catholics have not fought any holy wars for centuries. When is Islam going to stop?"

You're forgetting Northern Ireland .
 

rgp said:
You're forgetting Northern Ireland .
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Ok, good point, not nearly on the same scale as terror attacks carried out worldwide and still going strong in 2023 but enough for an attempt to excuse Islam or to paint all religion with the same brush.

I still say that Islam has to change itself if there is to be change. All I see is excuses and blame for Israel. Maybe someone would like to point out what Islam is doing to stop the terrorists in its ranks.
 
The problem with many of sponsored organized protests is they wind up escalating a protest war by motivating other organized protests. Which in turn will wind up motivating the zealots(which may be a desired goal hoping a few lone wolves will use more than signs and chants).

I was kind of surprised and the speed and size of some of these Pro Palestinian protests came about. But in the age of 24/7 news and internet I guess I shouldn't.
 
Murrmurr said:
For example, the Qur'an says...

"Let there be no hostility except toward those who practice oppression" and "Let there be no compulsion in religion"
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Posting isolated sentences from the Quran can be deceptive since they may be contradicted elsewhere in the book. Posting fragments of a sentence can be deceptive. One needs to read the entire chapter to get the tone of the message.

Your fragment that says “Let there be no compulsion in religion” is from Chapter 2 Verse 257 and the complete sentence says “There shall be no compulsion in religion because guidance and error have been clearly distinguished”. and the conclusion of that paragraph says “Those who disbelieve, their friends are those who hinder people from following the right path; they bring them out of the light into every kind of darkness. These are the inmates of the fire; therein shall they abide”. This can be referenced to Chapter 48 Verse 12 that says “He who believes not in Allah and his messenger should know that we have prepared a blazing torment for the disbelievers”.

Those Muslims who breached the border wall with Israel and burned Israelis alive weren’t coercing them to join Islam. But not for the friendly “live and let live” reasons your fragment suggests.
 
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War is not about how many towns you take over, but how many minds you take over.
Hamas knows the weaknesses of Americans, and its their minds.
They can be told anything and many will believe without question.
Many Americans feel 'educated' on world events based on their very narrow view they get from the evening news. Pressed for more information, they cannot provide anything more than the talking points they mimic from the evening new.
Hamas is a very smart organization that knows how to manipulate social media to their advantage, and let the weak minded do their work for them.
 
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Myrtle said:
My statement about watching the actions of Islam has been quoted a couple of times and it seems I may not have been clear. I am simply saying actions speak louder than words. Beheading babies speaks really loud to me.
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Your post was clear and correct about actions speaking loudly about ones theology. But if one tries to discuss the theology of Islam itself, people lapse into deflection or deception. They try to deflect the subject to anything else in the world other than Islam.
 
TabbyAnn said:
Your post was clear and correct about actions speaking loudly about ones theology. But if one tries to discuss the theology of Islam itself, people lapse into deflection or deception. They try to deflect the subject to anything else in the world other than Islam.
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Some just disappear. I will say that I’m not surprised, just disappointed, that there is so much willingness to either hide behind pro-Palestine or ignore terrorism altogether on this forum.

I am pleased to find a lot more support for Israel in other places though. They give me a little hope for humanity.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I think that neither Palestinians, nor Israelis are innocent of past atrocities.
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I'm sorry... I've tried to force myself to ignore this statement ever since I first saw it earlier. I can't. We are not seeing "regular atrocities that happen in war." We are talking about BABIES being beheaded. To push such evil off/justify it as "everyone's guilty" bothers me.

It doesn't really matter if Palestinians and Hamas are or aren't the same... protesters aren't separating them. If you can give me a link or some kind of confirmation that Israel has EVER beheaded babies, burned people alive they knew were hiding in safe rooms, or raped young women and then killed them while live streaming, by all means, show me...
 
Myrtle said:
I still say that Islam has to change itself if there is to be change. All I see is excuses and blame for Israel. Maybe someone would like to point out what Islam is doing to stop the terrorists in its ranks.
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I’m not sure what Islam's impetus for change would be within its ranks? Of course Israel changed Islam's ranks for them in Gaza, But Islam is doing quite well in the United States. In America Islam has:
- sent $12 million to Hamas
- built mosques in every city to preserve and teach the Quran
- infiltrated all American institutions
- migrated sufficient numbers to a congressional district to be majority voters.
- elected 3 representatives to Congress.
- convinced the government to spend millions on an Islamophobia department
 
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TabbyAnn said:
Posting isolated sentences from the Quran can be deceptive since they may be contradicted elsewhere in the book. Posting fragments of a sentence can be deceptive. One needs to read the entire chapter to get the tone of the message.

Your fragment that says “Let there be no compulsion in religion” is from Chapter 2 Verse 257 and the complete sentence says “There shall be no compulsion in religion because guidance and error have been clearly distinguished”. and the conclusion of that paragraph says “Those who disbelieve, their friends are those who hinder people from following the right path; they bring them out of the light into every kind of darkness. These are the inmates of the fire; therein shall they abide”. This can be referenced to Chapter 48 Verse 12 that says “He who believes not in Allah and his messenger should know that we have prepared a blazing torment for the disbelievers”.

Those Muslims who breached the border wall with Israel and burned Israelis alive weren’t coercing them to join Islam. But not for the friendly “live and let live” reasons your fragment suggests.
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That's exactly what I'm pointing out, though; as with Bible scriptures, passages from the Qur'an can be misinterpreted, or, like you're saying, taken out of context to indoctrinate or, like in Hamas's case, radicalize their followers for their own aims and goals.
 
Murrmurr said:
That's exactly what I'm pointing out, though; as with Bible scriptures, passages from the Qur'an can be misinterpreted, or, like you're saying, taken out of context to indoctrinate or, like in Hamas's case, radicalize their followers for their own aims and goals.
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They absolutely can. There are a few "verses" from the Qur'an that are repeatedly used when someone is trying to claim it's a "peaceful religion"... grossly misinterpreted and truncated from the rest of the context.
 
Here we are talking about religion.....EXACTLY what Hamas wants the discussion to be about.
Here is an expert from a phone tapping from the FBI and Hamas leaders:

In October 1993, the Federal Bureau of Investigation wiretapped a Philadelphia hotel room where a dozen senior Hamas members—some of them U.S.-based—had gathered. The men had called the meeting weeks after the signing of the Oslo Peace Accords between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. For days they debated how to sabotage the agreement and generate support for Hamas among American Muslims, the political class and wider society. They correctly foresaw that the U.S. government would designate Hamas a terrorist organization and agreed on a strategy to frame the conflict in religious terms for Muslims while using more-palatable frames for non-Muslim Americans. They plotted to create an array of mainstream organizations to conduct this dual-track work.

“Let’s not hoist a large Islamic flag, and let’s not be barbaric-talking,” one of the participants said. “We will remain a front so that if the [terror designation] happens, we will benefit from the new developments instead of having all of our organizations classified and exposed.”
“I swear by Allah that war is deception,” another said. “Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way.”

This is how they will deceive the weak Americans to do their dirty work.......
Just remember all the Terrorist supporters, the main goal is death to America. They are here, they are waiting, they are using taxpayer money to live and continue to build their base.....But, the hatred for Israel is more important?
 
The reason we are always talking about religion in relation to terrorism can be laid at the feet of the apologists who look for ways to draw an equivalency between Islam and other religions.

Unfortunately it works. Apparently a lot of people seem to think that all religions behead babies.

I have heard it said that Islam should be thought of as a political system rather than a religion.
 
Sippican said:
Here we are talking about religion.....EXACTLY what Hamas wants the discussion to be about.
Here is an expert from a phone tapping from the FBI and Hamas leaders:

In October 1993, the Federal Bureau of Investigation wiretapped a Philadelphia hotel room where a dozen senior Hamas members—some of them U.S.-based—had gathered. The men had called the meeting weeks after the signing of the Oslo Peace Accords between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. For days they debated how to sabotage the agreement and generate support for Hamas among American Muslims, the political class and wider society. They correctly foresaw that the U.S. government would designate Hamas a terrorist organization and agreed on a strategy to frame the conflict in religious terms for Muslims while using more-palatable frames for non-Muslim Americans. They plotted to create an array of mainstream organizations to conduct this dual-track work.

“Let’s not hoist a large Islamic flag, and let’s not be barbaric-talking,” one of the participants said. “We will remain a front so that if the [terror designation] happens, we will benefit from the new developments instead of having all of our organizations classified and exposed.”
“I swear by Allah that war is deception,” another said. “Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way.”

This is how they will deceive the weak Americans to do their dirty work.......
Just remember all the Terrorist supporters, the main goal is death to America. They are here, they are waiting, they are using taxpayer money to live and continue to build their base.....But, the hatred for Israel is more important?
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There's nothing wrong with some of us here asking about the religion connection, since it's what Hamas hides behind, but you're right that the ONLY real issue is the acts of terror that were perpetrated by a terrorist group.
 
WhatInThe said:
I was kind of surprised and the speed and size of some of these Pro Palestinian protests came about. But in the age of 24/7 news and internet I guess I shouldn't.
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The world wide protests can be linked to the world wide wealth and organizational abilities of the Muslim Brotherhood and its sponsored organizations, of which Hamas is one. It has infiltrated the highest levels of education in many countries and has been indoctrinating students and others about the evils of Israelis and western style democracies for years. These marches are a culmination of years of indoctrination.

Former Hamas chief ‘behind pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests’

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Murrmurr said:
That's exactly what I'm pointing out, though; as with Bible scriptures, passages from the Qur'an can be misinterpreted, or, like you're saying, taken out of context to indoctrinate or, like in Hamas's case, radicalize their followers for their own aims and goals.
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Any time a discussion is brought up on the contents of the Quran, people deflect and start talking about the Bible and interpretations and misinterpretations and anything other than the contents of the Quran.

There are enough straightforward passages in the Quran that Jihadists don’t have any trouble understanding them. But if Americans don’t want to hear them, then just have another beer and watch another game until the Islamists take over and outlaw beer. Meanwhile be sure to pay your taxes so the government has enough money to support the new department to fight Islamophobia..

White House Announces 'National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia'
 
Myrtle said:
I have heard it said that Islam should be thought of as a political system rather than a religion.
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Islam is a way of life. Islamic Muslims devote their lives to their god; live, pray, work, marry and raise their children according to their god's instructions, instructions that include not allowing anyone to rule over them except god.

That's why the most important leaders in Muslim countries are revered clerics.

Muslims think of their dictators or kings or presidents or whatever as protectors of their way of life and not more than that. Because everything is in god's hands, period.

When I managed businesses and when I owned one, about 1/3 of my employees where Muslim, and that's how they described it to me.

Now, if their dictator or king or president or whatever is Sunni, and the country's Shīʿite population starts to outnumber the Sunni population, then they've got domestic problems. And if the Shīʿite hits the fan, then it can become political.
 
Murrmurr said:
Islam is a way of life. Islamic Muslims devote their lives to their god; live, pray, work, marry and raise their children according to their god's instructions, instructions that include not allowing anyone to rule over them except god.

That's why the most important leaders in Muslim countries are revered clerics.

Muslims think of their dictators or kings or presidents or whatever as protectors of their way of life and not more than that. Because everything is in god's hands, period.

When I managed businesses and when I owned one, about 1/3 of my employees where Muslim, and that's how they described it to me.

Now, if their dictator or king or president or whatever is Sunni, and the country's Shīʿite population starts to outnumber the Sunni population, then they've got domestic problems. And if the Shīʿite hits the fan, then it can become political.
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I’ll reply since you chose to quote me but you aren’t talking about the same thing. The political system is at the top of the Islamic structure, not at the level of someone’s US employees.

According to the political theory the revered clerics are the front men, the public face. The men running the show are the Islamic billionaires. Information about them has already been posted either in one of the terrorism threads or maybe both. Here’s a link to one version of the report.
Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer

There’s also another post in one of the threads about how much is raised for Islam terror through charities in the US.

Out of here for now.
 
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‘Kill the Babies!’ Anti-Israel Hecklers Taunt Jews at Stroller Protest​

Hecklers shouted “kill the babies” to taunt a protest Sunday organized by Jews in Skokie, Illinois, to highlight the fact that 30 children, including babies, are being held hostage by the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas in Gaza.
Jewish community members in Skokie outside of Chicago have organized an exhibit of 30 empty strollers to raise awareness about the 30 children currently being held hostage in Gaza along with roughly 210 others.
~~~ Skokie, Illinois
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That is beyond wickedness. How anyone anywhere could kill babies is unacceptable, I don't care for what reason. It is war crimes on both sides and must stop.
 

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